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17 Feb 2010, 11:59 pm

Normally I wouldn't bring this up on a public form due to embarassment but I think it's important for some of us who don't fit the "intellegent" level to come out of the wood works. Now I just take a couple of classes I can afford and have left the prospect of wanting to be this or that out of my life. It was just too much pressure for me but I still love to learn so I'm not going to give that up.
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Well said the few people I've told immediately it's Einstein OR Gates :roll: I've got nothing! no education OR trade and I'm not ashamed to admit it. doesn't make me any lesser of a person. :) Hell some of the smartest people I've had contact with are unbelievably dumb eg the health care profession as an example ,again and again I was seconded guessed by them and all along I was right !

How can they get it so wrong :?



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18 Feb 2010, 12:00 am

think on average aspies are better educated than NTs. Pretty much all notable scientists, especially in fields like maths, CS, physics etc, have some traits of HFA.

I'd bet the house on that one :)



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18 Feb 2010, 4:16 am

aussiebloke wrote:
think on average aspies are better educated than NTs. Pretty much all notable scientists, especially in fields like maths, CS, physics etc, have some traits of HFA.

I'd bet the house on that one :)



Many notable scientists and creators do seem to have some Autistic traits, some are even on the spectrum.

I'm not sure if the numbers actually support the hypothesis that Aspies are higher educated on average than NTz.

People with AS can struggle in traditional 'education' settings and some excell.

Bill Gates is a college drop out and Einstein was of course 'too stupid' to learn at 'school'.


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18 Feb 2010, 7:55 am

I am working for a BA in Childhood and youth studies and would like to continue afterwards as I love learning. I wanted to continue my education for years but never felt able to cope with college or university. I am doing my course from home with the Open University and it is perfect for me



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18 Feb 2010, 11:33 am

Not formally diagnosed, but I have an M.A., and have been a PhD candidate for the last 5 years (haven't finished yet because I ran out of university funding and I've had to work full-time in an unrelated field - trying to write my dissertation while working 40 hours per week is almost impossible). I found college and grad school much easier than high school and elementary school. Before I got to college, I was known as being very intelligent, but a generally poor student. I barely did any homework, occasionally got into trouble, and basically had a hard time doing anything in subjects which didn't interest me. My parents and teachers were very frustrated. I did better once I got into a private, arts-focused high school, but my grades were still not great. However, I was suddenly around people who were, in many ways, more like me, and people were generally a lot more accepting. I went to a small liberal arts college where intellectual curiosity was highly valued and there were a lot of people who, for whatever reason, wouldn't have fit in elsewhere. That probably had a lot to do with my success at the college level. Likewise in grad school - although I went to a large university for grad school, I was in a small department, and grad students in liberal arts and sciences tend to be highly focused, super-intellectual people anyway.



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18 Feb 2010, 10:14 pm

Blindsport 149 says

traditional 'education'

Hear Hear :roll:



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18 Feb 2010, 10:27 pm

I don't yet, but I'm well on my way to a Bachelor's of Science in Management with a concentration in either Information Systems or Statistics (heck, maybe even both!).


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18 Feb 2010, 10:51 pm

KOOL BEANZ!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!



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19 Feb 2010, 2:28 pm

I hold an AAS in Wide Area Networking Technology, and am looking at going back for a BS in Medical Info Systems



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19 Feb 2010, 5:05 pm

I have two bachelor's degrees and a doctorate. Science/medical stuff has been an obsession since I was four.
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20 Feb 2010, 2:22 am

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20 Feb 2010, 9:25 am

Emeritus from an [allegedly] major university - don't get me started on El Cheapo U.

Not without struggle, as for others I know of, and the more sensitive to pain and rejection you are the more likely to drop or be forced out.

Like they say, you don't do it unless you cannot imagine doing anything else.



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20 Feb 2010, 9:42 am

I got a BA at 22 but since then I'm self-taught. I didn't like what I was being taught so I decided to teach myself what I thought I needed to learn. It's a struggle either way.

But I think whether you get a formal education or not the most important thing is to keep learning and not let your understanding or your knowledge stagnate.



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20 Feb 2010, 10:48 am

In the last year or so I've gone from feeling unsteady in my math skills to learning college level math isn't as advanced as I'd thought it would be, uh... when I was first given an aptitude test in first grade I was testing above high school graduate levels, all self taught.

Taught myself physics, and have been rounding out my grasp of mathematics with the intent of producing a multi-dimensional form of a geometric calculus designed to sidestep the flaws in first-order logic and produce a single completed theory of physics.

If all I've done basically in the period since 1986 til the present is study science, philosophy, math, physics, and so forth... does that count as highly educated?


Edit: I've been knocking off the holes that I lacked from this list: http://www.phys.uu.nl/~thooft/theorist.html, by Nobel winning physicist Gerard t'Hooft, on what he... as a theoretical physicist himself, feels one should know/understand in order to pursue physics properly.

A natural grasp of calculus/trig/algebra were missing, as I basically just cheated my way through those subjects in tests with visual modeling techniques without really grasping them at the level I do now.



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20 Feb 2010, 7:54 pm

I just wrote a huge response to this, but decided it was just too long, so will give the short version instead!

I recently graduated with a phd

I did badly in school, AS was not known at that point, in junior school I was in the special needs class as my behavior was odd and I didnt communicate verbally much, although I did ok in most academic subjects and was ahead in maths and science. I went to a selective private senior school (as at 10 I absorbed information and did well on iq tests so was offered a place) They had no measures for dealing with any type of special needs and put everything down to attention seeking and general bad behaviour. Life was barely tolerable.

I eventually got some very low passes at a level. I was expected to go to university, although I never would have survived there, but found an agricultural collage that had a course on fish farming and my special interest happens to be fish!

Life was still very difficult, but I did manage to do well academically at the course and transfered onto their degree program. I also spent time helping out in the fish house and they let me keep my fish there.

At the end, I didnt have the confidence even to try for a job, so I thought I would see if I could get onto a masters course. I did , but it was at a 'proper' if low ranking university. It was huge and in the middle of an ugly city, the supervision was not very good and I wanted to get out of there. The course was 3 months taught work and 9 months research. One of the other students introduced me to a researcher at a fish farm in the highlands of scotland and he offered me a project for my research component at the farm. It was beautiful up there, 5 miles to the nearest village which was about 10 houses, a small shop and a pub. I only had my bike so I lived on the farm in a caravan. I said I would like to help out on the farm as well as the project (as there was not that much else to do there!) and worked hard. My supervisor there was lovely and even included me in the weekly meetings.

Towards the end of my project, I spoke to my supervisor (at the farm) about what I should do next, he suggested a phd, although I didnt think I would be good enough. But he sugested having a look at a few university sites. I found a list of studentships and said I liked the look of one particular title, he helped me put my cv in order and I applied and got an interview.

I didnt expect to get it, but thought I would give it a go, I got into the interview and found one of the other researchers from the farm on the interview panel! It went very badly, I thought never mind, something else will come up and went back to the hotel. 20 minutes after getting in, the land lady said I had a phone call, and it was them offering me the position! They never officially said, but I must have been offered it because of my references rather than my interview technique! (It really is who you know, not what you know)

During the phd, my mental health deteriorated. I felt very threatened by the academics and other students, I had always been told that the older you get and the higher you get in academia, the more you are likely to meet people like myself, but all the students were 'perfect' (of course they werent but that is how I describe them in my head) They had sports tournaments, gave seminars at international conferences, went out to pubs every friday evening etc etc. My supervisor was lovely and patient, but towards the end even she was sick of the sight of me. It took me double the time it takes most uk students to finish. I was only diagnosed with AS in December, before then I had always been told I had mental health problems but was never told an official diagnosis, so I told the university disability service this and gave them a note from the psychiatrist. This meant that they had to make allowances for me - I still had to do the work but they would have had a hard time throwing me out as that would look bad for them, so they left me to it, and it is not in my nature to give up.

Sorry, even the short version has turned out long! I think I wanted to make the point that you dont have to be a straight A student all the way through school to do a phd, if you manage to find a subject that you are very interested in that you can start at a lower level and work your way up. I think it may be harder in the American system though, but Im not sure. But in the UK, there are lots of vocational courses that count as the same level as GCSEs, A levels etc.

There again, although I now have a phd, I am currently unemployable - the post doc level jobs would not accept me due to the amount of time it has taken me to finish and poor references (and a lot of other factors), anything below would say I am over qualified. I would happily give up my qualifications for the chance to have a friend, perhaps a partner and be less miserable. All qualifications show is that ability to study one particular area, they dont make you a better person or more likable.



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14 Jul 2011, 2:29 pm

I have aspergers and an MBA in accounting and a cpa license. I am underemplouyed.