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crocus
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14 Aug 2010, 4:57 am

INFJ/Gifted/Aspergers

Nightsun wrote:

Yes I want to collect enough data for a statistically viable dataset. I'll not draw any conclusion before at least 200-300 replies. Obviously the dataset will be biased:

- Introverted are more common on the net (Ixxx)
- Intuitive are more commone on the net (xNxx)
- Rationals are more common on the net (xNTx)

On wrong planet we will have an higher % of:
- Intelligent people
- High functioning (Subclinical/Asperger) people

- People with low IQ will tend to "not reply" to this post.

So obviously the data gathered will be biased, and I'll need further studies on the general population (I'll need to access to medical reports and probably I'll need to ask some psychologist / psychiatrist to help me in the testing process but I prefer to have some preliminary data, probably with RDOS permission, I'll do an intermediate step putting some question on the Aspie quiz if he wish).

What's the aim?
My gut instinct and anecdotical data suggest me that:
IxTx are more frequent in the spectrum than in the general population.
INTx tend to cluster to the higher end of the spectrum (Aspie/subclinical)
ISxx tend to cluster to the lower end of the spectrum (Kanner's Autism)
High intelligence tend to lower (from a statistical Point of view and while growing up) the impairment.
xxFx tend to have a more "severe" diagnosis than xxTx.

Obviosly that kind of "opinion" can be confuted by the research but I'm pretty sure that there is a relationship between "position in the spectrum" - Intelligence - Personality.

Some hypothetical explanation:
High intelligence people can have less severe impairment (especially at adult age) because they could be better at creating a "theory of mind" from a purely conceptual point of view.
ISxx personality could tend to have more severe DX because their primary imput device is Sensing, but sensing is "mixed-up" in autism (Intense world syndrome), so basically the personality preference tend toward something that doesn't always works properly.
The same hold for IxFx because we tend to have "empathy problems" so using Feeling as our primary output source will tend to give dissonant outcome.

But only with enough data we can build a systematic and coherent theory.

Out of curiosity, what do you base your theory on, regarding your "get instinct" that "F"s would have a more "severe" diagnosis than "T"s?

ayla
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14 Aug 2010, 2:02 pm

INFJ/Above average/Aspergers

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14 Aug 2010, 2:14 pm

INTJ/Gifted/Aspergers

Assembly
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14 Aug 2010, 2:17 pm

I'll contribute. INTJ (I (100%), N (92%), T (100%), J (57%), I switch between INTP and INTJ based on my enviroment (enviroment that isn't intellectually stimulating, solitude, lack of motivation = INTP). Evenly distributed intelligence (135 +-10) wheras VIQ score seems to be the median(~135), PIQ is the lowest (125-130) and visual spatial and visual memory might be 145 or higher on a good day. I am diagnosed with aspergers (AQ between 34-37)

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14 Aug 2010, 2:30 pm

Assembly wrote:

You sound just like me.

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14 Aug 2010, 4:57 pm

INTJ/ gifted/ subclinical

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15 Aug 2010, 7:34 am

INTJ/Gifted/Subclinical

INTJ - strong INT, weak J. I could therefore be an INTP who has been socialised into J-like behaviour. The INT is not in any doubt.

Gifted - IQ 140+ - strong mathematical skills, also linguistic skills (my special interest since age of 10) - NB: emotional IQ well below average (bottom 2%) which matches my high score for alexithymia (difficulty in understanding or managing emotions) and low score for Simon Baron-Cohen's EQ test (11). So: academic abilities in top 2% and emotional abilities in bottom 2%.

Subclinical - never diagnosed (I was over 40 when AS was added to DSM-IV) and am currently married and in employment. I still have sensory sensitivity (sounds, fluorescent lights, smells), and other autistic issues (eg alexithymia, some executive dysfunction, etc), with appropriate scores on a variety of AS screening tests such as AQ (35). Had significant problems in teens and early twenties (especially anxiety and depression) and I needed (and received) a kind of intervention program before going on to a career and marriage.

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19 Aug 2010, 4:01 pm

INTJ/below avergage/aspie
I also took a AQ 150 quiz, and got diagnostic relations, obviously to aspergers, to ADD, Social phobia and dyspraxia. I also believe i have dyscalculia.
SUBCLINICAL

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19 Aug 2010, 4:47 pm

InTJ/ gifted/ aspergers.

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12 Oct 2011, 10:26 am

Verbal IQ of 164 - Psychologically tested
INT* J/P
Aspergers - Clinically Diagnosed

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Basagu
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12 Oct 2011, 10:53 am

INTJ
Gifted
McDD of HFA, getting rediagnosed in a month.

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12 Oct 2011, 1:18 pm

INFP - However, every time I take these tests the results are always different. I think they're assuming certain traits go together (such as shyness and introversion; or wanting to be rational and having good self control) which don't go together in me.

I identify with both traits of introversion and extroversion (when I'm in a social mood I'm very social, but I need downtime afterwards).

Intuition sounds more like me than sensing because I'm definitely an 'ideas person' (though I doesn't sound like what I usually hear described as intuition, ie claiming you know something when you can't say how you know it).

Thinking and feeling sound like the two halves of my personality which often don't communicate with each other and tend to alternate control, as a result I tend to wildly alternate between the two extremes in my behavior.

Judging/perceiving makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Gifted - IQ 137

Not sure what you mean by the autism subtypes, so I'll just describe my functioning - I had no language delay or overall cognitive delay, but I did have mild motor and self-care delays (only evident after preschool-age, that's how mild they are). My social skills seem superficially normal and I do fine on formalized tests of nonverbal perception, but I get confused in real-life social situations, particularly with peers. At 22 years old, I'm doing well in university but I can't live independently because my self-care skills are around the same level as an average 12-14 year old. Put me in whichever category you want based on that.

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12 Oct 2011, 2:43 pm

INFJ/Gifted/Midfunctioning

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12 Oct 2011, 2:46 pm

Oh.....I thought this thread was going to be referred to a ridiculous question like ''do people on the spectrum have more of a personality than NTs?'' or something stupid like that.

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evilduck
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12 Oct 2011, 2:58 pm

I did the test, and then it asked:
You prefer to act immediately rather than speculate about various options

BS question. I act immediately after having thought through the various options.

But I'm would be your
?/Gifted+/Aspie.

evilduck
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12 Oct 2011, 3:31 pm

Okay. I did the test anyway.

Strange questions, and I ended up as a 1%'er of all. Funny enough that's also my IQ.
I'm an architect:
Architects are rare - maybe one percent of the population - and show the greatest precision in thought and speech of all the types. They tend to see distinctions and inconsistencies instantaneously, and can detect contradictions no matter when or where they were made. It is difficult for an Architect to listen to nonsense, even in a casual conversation, without pointing out the speaker's error. And in any serious discussion or debate Architects are devastating, their skill in framing arguments giving them an enormous advantage. Architects regard all discussions as a search for understanding, and believe their function is to eliminate inconsistencies, which can make communication with them an uncomfortable experience for many.

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