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16 Jun 2010, 4:03 am

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Intelligence doesn't exist by human standards. It logically cannot.

However, I am intelligent because I am self-aware. Is this what you are asking?

I assume people think I am self-aware.


I partially agree, because humans are more emotional than logical; if you need proof, ask Cicero.


Plus, intelligence compared to what? Society? Other humans?

Hardly a reliable basis to compare something to.


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16 Jun 2010, 4:05 am

Ferdinand wrote:
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Intelligence doesn't exist by human standards. It logically cannot.

However, I am intelligent because I am self-aware. Is this what you are asking?

I assume people think I am self-aware.


I partially agree, because humans are more emotional than logical; if you need proof, ask Cicero.


Plus, intelligence compared to what? Society? Other humans?

Hardly a reliable basis to compare something to.


What is it you're even comparing? What constitutes intelligence?



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16 Jun 2010, 4:06 am

Ferdinand wrote:
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Ferdinand wrote:
Intelligence doesn't exist by human standards. It logically cannot.

However, I am intelligent because I am self-aware. Is this what you are asking?

I assume people think I am self-aware.


I partially agree, because humans are more emotional than logical; if you need proof, ask Cicero.


Plus, intelligence compared to what? Society? Other humans?

Hardly a reliable basis to compare something to.


I don't generally view society as that smart, and humans in general are still at a state too early in evolution to actually make that many improvements overall for the world, but that's another topic for another day.

What I can tell you is I know this because every time I've tried explaining to people what I've figured out, they all but start frothing at the mouth, as I've just blown their minds beyond comprehension.



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16 Jun 2010, 4:07 am

Self-awareness, I guess? I really do not like philosophy, and it makes me really angry.


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16 Jun 2010, 4:10 am

TheDoctor82 wrote:
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TheDoctor82 wrote:
Ferdinand wrote:
Intelligence doesn't exist by human standards. It logically cannot.

However, I am intelligent because I am self-aware. Is this what you are asking?

I assume people think I am self-aware.


I partially agree, because humans are more emotional than logical; if you need proof, ask Cicero.


Plus, intelligence compared to what? Society? Other humans?

Hardly a reliable basis to compare something to.


I don't generally view society as that smart, and humans in general are still at a state too early in evolution to actually make that many improvements overall for the world, but that's another topic for another day.

What I can tell you is I know this because every time I've tried explaining to people what I've figured out, they all but start frothing at the mouth, as I've just blown their minds beyond comprehension.


Perhaps the accumulated knowledge which society has uncovered is normality, and anyone who adds more facts onto that 'pile' is intelligent?


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16 Jun 2010, 4:11 am

Ferdinand wrote:
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Ferdinand wrote:
TheDoctor82 wrote:
Ferdinand wrote:
Intelligence doesn't exist by human standards. It logically cannot.

However, I am intelligent because I am self-aware. Is this what you are asking?

I assume people think I am self-aware.


I partially agree, because humans are more emotional than logical; if you need proof, ask Cicero.


Plus, intelligence compared to what? Society? Other humans?

Hardly a reliable basis to compare something to.


I don't generally view society as that smart, and humans in general are still at a state too early in evolution to actually make that many improvements overall for the world, but that's another topic for another day.

What I can tell you is I know this because every time I've tried explaining to people what I've figured out, they all but start frothing at the mouth, as I've just blown their minds beyond comprehension.


Perhaps the accumulated knowledge which society has uncovered is normality, and anyone who adds more facts onto that 'pile' is intelligent?


You consider lies, myths, urban legends, and corrupted "moral standards" accumulated knowledge? Yeesh.......



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16 Jun 2010, 4:11 am

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My parents(particularly my mom) tell me I'm to smart to be on disability. My mom actully tells me that I should of been a lawer because I'm good at arguing with her about things & my dad tells me that I should be some kind of computer programmer because I help him with things cuz he doesn't know much bout em. I feel my parents think I'm much smarter than I really am.


My parents to the exact same thing! Literally, my mum says I should be a lawyer and my dad says the same about computers and he too is useless at them, I have to help him to search Google :lol:


Simply being argumentative about things doesn't make me good at it; I've gotten in trouble quite a lot over arguing with her. My grades in school wer pretty horrible as well. I also have to help my dad with Google sometimes. I have problems doing basic html code. I am smart to them but I do not not have any special skills or smarts that will help me employment wise. Most people have my knowledge/smarts. I took some kind of job intelligence test in my senior year of high-school to see what kind of things I should do & I actually got unarmed security guard, gas station attendant, & grocery store bager. Apparently I do not have smarts. I only scored like a 16 on my SATs/ACTs(Louisiana has the one the rest of the country doesn't use)


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16 Jun 2010, 4:13 am

TheDoctor82 wrote:
Ferdinand wrote:
TheDoctor82 wrote:
Ferdinand wrote:
TheDoctor82 wrote:
Ferdinand wrote:
Intelligence doesn't exist by human standards. It logically cannot.

However, I am intelligent because I am self-aware. Is this what you are asking?

I assume people think I am self-aware.


I partially agree, because humans are more emotional than logical; if you need proof, ask Cicero.


Plus, intelligence compared to what? Society? Other humans?

Hardly a reliable basis to compare something to.


I don't generally view society as that smart, and humans in general are still at a state too early in evolution to actually make that many improvements overall for the world, but that's another topic for another day.

What I can tell you is I know this because every time I've tried explaining to people what I've figured out, they all but start frothing at the mouth, as I've just blown their minds beyond comprehension.


Perhaps the accumulated knowledge which society has uncovered is normality, and anyone who adds more facts onto that 'pile' is intelligent?


You consider lies, myths, urban legends, and corrupted "moral standards" accumulated knowledge? Yeesh.......


Those are facts though. I meant information like evolution, biology, math, etc.


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16 Jun 2010, 4:15 am

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My parents(particularly my mom) tell me I'm to smart to be on disability. My mom actully tells me that I should of been a lawer because I'm good at arguing with her about things & my dad tells me that I should be some kind of computer programmer because I help him with things cuz he doesn't know much bout em. I feel my parents think I'm much smarter than I really am.


My parents to the exact same thing! Literally, my mum says I should be a lawyer and my dad says the same about computers and he too is useless at them, I have to help him to search Google :lol:


Simply being argumentative about things doesn't make me good at it; I've gotten in trouble quite a lot over arguing with her. My grades in school wer pretty horrible as well. I also have to help my dad with Google sometimes. I have problems doing basic html code. I am smart to them but I do not not have any special skills or smarts that will help me employment wise. Most people have my knowledge/smarts. I took some kind of job intelligence test in my senior year of high-school to see what kind of things I should do & I actually got unarmed security guard, gas station attendant, & grocery store bager. Apparently I do not have smarts


I understand what you mean; hearing my folks say they thought I was smart didn't mean a whole lot...as neither of them are/were particularly bright, and not only did I end up doing better in standardized schooling than they did, neither happened to do very well in the work force upon leaving educational institutions. In fact the majority of my life, my parents were utterly helpless the majority of the time, and I was the one who wound up figuring out solutions; they were smart enough to "diagnose the problem", but then in the middle of trying to fix it, their minds went blank.

I don't entirely fault my mom for it though; she too was Autistic, but we didn't know it then; so she attempted compromising her own brain wiring to be normal, and you can guess how all that went; let's just say she paid the ultimate price for doing it.

My dad is still alive though, and he's got something...it ain't Autism, but it's damn close whatever it is.



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16 Jun 2010, 4:15 am

nick007 wrote:
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My parents(particularly my mom) tell me I'm to smart to be on disability. My mom actully tells me that I should of been a lawer because I'm good at arguing with her about things & my dad tells me that I should be some kind of computer programmer because I help him with things cuz he doesn't know much bout em. I feel my parents think I'm much smarter than I really am.


My parents to the exact same thing! Literally, my mum says I should be a lawyer and my dad says the same about computers and he too is useless at them, I have to help him to search Google :lol:


Simply being argumentative about things doesn't make me good at it; I've gotten in trouble quite a lot over arguing with her. My grades in school wer pretty horrible as well. I also have to help my dad with Google sometimes. I have problems doing basic html code. I am smart to them but I do not not have any special skills or smarts that will help me employment wise. Most people have my knowledge/smarts. I took some kind of job intelligence test in my senior year of high-school to see what kind of things I should do & I actually got unarmed security guard, gas station attendant, & grocery store bager. Apparently I do not have smarts


True enough, but high-functioning forms of autism actually are meant to be good for those types of professions, I remember my mum talking about it with someone once, I have no idea who this person was but I remember him wearing a suit so I assume he's in some of sort of law or similar job himself :P

But yeah, arguing alone won't make you good at it - but you'd do well as a politician though :lol:

I'm actually quite good at computers, but I'd hate to do it professionally, it makes it boring. I've decided to keep computers as a hobby.



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16 Jun 2010, 4:16 am

Ferdinand wrote:
TheDoctor82 wrote:
Ferdinand wrote:
TheDoctor82 wrote:
Ferdinand wrote:
TheDoctor82 wrote:
Ferdinand wrote:
Intelligence doesn't exist by human standards. It logically cannot.

However, I am intelligent because I am self-aware. Is this what you are asking?

I assume people think I am self-aware.


I partially agree, because humans are more emotional than logical; if you need proof, ask Cicero.


Plus, intelligence compared to what? Society? Other humans?

Hardly a reliable basis to compare something to.


I don't generally view society as that smart, and humans in general are still at a state too early in evolution to actually make that many improvements overall for the world, but that's another topic for another day.

What I can tell you is I know this because every time I've tried explaining to people what I've figured out, they all but start frothing at the mouth, as I've just blown their minds beyond comprehension.


Perhaps the accumulated knowledge which society has uncovered is normality, and anyone who adds more facts onto that 'pile' is intelligent?


You consider lies, myths, urban legends, and corrupted "moral standards" accumulated knowledge? Yeesh.......


Those are facts though. I meant information like evolution, biology, math, etc.


not necessarily adding onto it, per se, but also seeing a different perspective of it which can answer more questions; don't forget often times what is commonly believed in evolution and biology fields can be discovered to be incorrect.



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16 Jun 2010, 4:17 am

Exactly. Intelligence is an illogical idea.


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16 Jun 2010, 4:18 am

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My parents(particularly my mom) tell me I'm to smart to be on disability. My mom actully tells me that I should of been a lawer because I'm good at arguing with her about things & my dad tells me that I should be some kind of computer programmer because I help him with things cuz he doesn't know much bout em. I feel my parents think I'm much smarter than I really am.


My parents to the exact same thing! Literally, my mum says I should be a lawyer and my dad says the same about computers and he too is useless at them, I have to help him to search Google :lol:


Simply being argumentative about things doesn't make me good at it; I've gotten in trouble quite a lot over arguing with her. My grades in school wer pretty horrible as well. I also have to help my dad with Google sometimes. I have problems doing basic html code. I am smart to them but I do not not have any special skills or smarts that will help me employment wise. Most people have my knowledge/smarts. I took some kind of job intelligence test in my senior year of high-school to see what kind of things I should do & I actually got unarmed security guard, gas station attendant, & grocery store bager. Apparently I do not have smarts


True enough, but high-functioning forms of autism actually are meant to be good for those types of professions, I remember my mum talking about it with someone once, I have no idea who this person was but I remember him wearing a suit so I assume he's in some of sort of law or similar job himself :P

But yeah, arguing alone won't make you good at it - but you'd do well as a politician though :lol:

I'm actually quite good at computers, but I'd hate to do it professionally, it makes it boring. I've decided to keep computers as a hobby.


I don't think you'd hate it professionally if you ran your own business. ':B-)

You're in that case doing everything on your terms.



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16 Jun 2010, 4:19 am

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Exactly. Intelligence is an illogical idea.


Don't get me wrong, but I'm beginning to sense hints of Post Modernist Philosophy here; red flags are going up like crazy in reading that statement....



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16 Jun 2010, 4:24 am

I do not know what that is.

Intelligence is a basis of how much a person knows, according to society's standards on normality of a person's intellectual pursuit. It has nothing to do with what its supposed meaning is supposed to be.


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16 Jun 2010, 4:43 am

I sorta get what you're trying to say, but am getting a tad confused at the same time, I confess.