Take this fascinating test (schizophrenia vs. autism)

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Do you agree that autism is extreme male brain and schizophrenia is extreme female brain?
yes 3%  3%  [ 4 ]
no 75%  75%  [ 88 ]
undecided 21%  21%  [ 25 ]
Total votes : 117

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11 Dec 2011, 3:01 pm

Paranoid: Moderate
Schizoid: High
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: Very High
Dependent: Moderate
Obsessive-Compulsive: Moderate

The only thing I scored low on was antisocial. I'm actually a little puzzled at the high score for schizoid - I might appear that way to others, but I'm really not indifferent about others at all and can be quite passionate (not necessarily in the romantic sense) a lot of the time.


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11 Dec 2011, 3:14 pm

Disorder Rating
Paranoid: Moderate
Schizoid: Moderate
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: Very High
Dependent: High
Obsessive-Compulsive: High



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12 Dec 2011, 3:13 am

OP " I however remain attracted to the elegance, simplicity and symmetry of this theory."

There is nothing elegant or symmetrical about this idea. Simple is closer to the mark. It's some of the worst nonsense I've ever come across.
Calling it a theory is also so far fetched as to be an offence to actual theories.


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12 Dec 2011, 3:20 am

readingbetweenlines wrote:
Calling it a theory is also so far fetched as to be an offence to actual theories.


If Sigmeund Freud had 'theories', this is definitely a theory. ;)

(Albeit, all his theories have been discredited. :lol:)



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12 Dec 2011, 7:09 am

Paranoid: Moderate
Schizoid: High
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: Moderate
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Low
Narcissistic: High
Avoidant: High
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: High


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12 Dec 2011, 7:17 am

I've just read up on 'histrionic personality disorder' to see if the moderate rating was at all accurate - I didn't know what it meant. It's way off the mark, in fact probably the total opposite to how I behave.


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12 Dec 2011, 8:24 am

I disagree because my best friends sister has both low functioning Autism and schizophrenia and a few other things...

These are just tests ive done them before and have come up with results that dont explaine me at all.... my other best friend and i took this test and a few others on this site and pissed ourselves laughing at the results. shes NT and I am diagnoses slightly autistic as a child and now am seeking an AS diagnosis.



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12 Dec 2011, 8:44 am

Teredia wrote:
I disagree because my best friends sister has both low functioning Autism and schizophrenia and a few other things...


I'm completely puzzled as to how you could test someone for schizophrenia when they can't communicate with you, how do you know they're hallucinating, delusional or having disorganized thoughts?

It's baffling how people do this.

Anyway the OP "theory" is bogus as far as I can tell - and I've seen more evidence that autistics actually have very female brains, look up the "intense world syndrome" theory, it basically says autistics experience the world so intensly because they are so empathic, it's perpetual overload.


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12 Dec 2011, 11:13 am

Mummy_of_Peanut wrote:
I've just read up on 'histrionic personality disorder' to see if the moderate rating was at all accurate - I didn't know what it meant. It's way off the mark, in fact probably the total opposite to how I behave.


I found some research several months ago that was about the occurrence of personality disorders in people with autistic spectrum disorders and ADHD. The one PD that no one who fit the criteria for any PDD had was histrionic personality disorder.

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I'm completely puzzled as to how you could test someone for schizophrenia when they can't communicate with you, how do you know they're hallucinating, delusional or having disorganized thoughts?

It's baffling how people do this.


I'm completely puzzled as to how one would assume that "low-functioning" means completely incapable of communication.



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12 Dec 2011, 11:53 am

Disorder Rating
Paranoid: High
Schizoid: High
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: High
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: High
Avoidant: Very High
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: Moderate

I am not sure the test was detailed enough. Some questions were general and not clear so it was hard to answer YES or NO. There should have been "I don't understand what you are asking" options. But I don't mind being schizoid, it sounds cool.



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12 Dec 2011, 12:09 pm

swbluto wrote:
readingbetweenlines wrote:
Calling it a theory is also so far fetched as to be an offence to actual theories.


If Sigmeund Freud had 'theories', this is definitely a theory. :wink:

(Albeit, all his theories have been discredited. :lol:)


Quite. :wink:

Other, less ambitious words are available such as thought or notion.


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12 Dec 2011, 1:20 pm

Disorder | Rating
Paranoid: Moderate
Schizoid: Low
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Low
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: Low
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: High



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12 Dec 2011, 4:10 pm

Disorder | Rating
Paranoid: High
Schizoid: Very High
Schizotypal: Moderate
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Moderate
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: Low
Avoidant: High
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: Low

The ones I got high or very high in are hardly surprising to me. It's not an accurate test, though.


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12 Dec 2011, 5:06 pm

Quiz is pretty lame, but I got:

Disorder | Rating
Paranoid: High
Schizoid: Very High
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: Moderate
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Low
Narcissistic: Low
Avoidant: Moderate
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: High

Meh whatever. Seems my brain is stuck in hyper libertarian mode and wants to the guy from Anthem (Ayn Rand) whatever I guess.



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12 Dec 2011, 6:22 pm

Quote:
Paranoid: Low
Schizoid: Moderate
Schizotypal: High
Antisocial: Low
Borderline: Very High
Histrionic: Moderate
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: Moderate
Dependent: Moderate
Obsessive-Compulsive: High

The test seems perfectly accurate, if a bit transparent. It's basically all the DSM-IV criteria for the personality disorders put into quiz form.

Your theory, however, is utter nonsense.

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Many people rejected this theory, often providing empirical studies and anecdotes to debunk the idea. I however remain attracted to the elegance, simplicity and symmetry of this theory.


You may like the 'simplicity' of it, but it's empirical studies that matter.

There is some evidence to say autism is extreme male brain, though I don't think it's really enough. But as for schizophrenia being extreme female brain?

a) Of that particular list, schizotypal PD is the most closely related to schizophrenia. (The relationship is basically the same as AS to LFA - exactly the same traits but different severity.) Autistic traits and schizotypal traits tend to be positively correlated, as shown here and here for example.

b) Schizophrenia is not more common in females, in fact the opposite is true.

c) Autism and schizophrenia co-occur about as often as would be expected by chance, whereas if they were truly opposites it would be unheard of for someone to have both. (Like someone having both perfect pitch and tone deafness.)

So, no, schizophrenia and autism are not opposites, and schizophrenia is not extreme female brain.

(I'd argue that autism is not male brain either, for the simple fact that to me, 'male brain' means male gender identity, not a certain learning style. Most autistic women are not transsexuals.)

Oh, and borderline PD has nothing to do with schizophrenia, actually. That was psychoanalytic theory, and is completely debunked now. Borderline PD is more related to PTSD, dissociative disorders, attachment disorder and bipolar disorder. Of those, only bipolar disorder has a bit of a link to schizophrenia, and it's not all that strong. Borderline PD describes someone with a shaky identity, black-and-white thinking, mood swings, intense fear of abandonment and maybe a tendency to get mild psychotic traits if extremely stressed out (though dissociation is more typical). And whereas schizophrenia is largely biological, borderline PD is strongly linked to severe abuse - 80% of borderlines report a history of childhood abuse, often a mix of both physical and sexual abuse.



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15 Dec 2011, 12:31 pm

paranoid: high
schizoid: high
schizotypal: moderate
antisocial: low
borderline: low
histrionic: low
narcissistic: low
avoidant: high
dependent: low
obsessive compulsive: very high

I am only surprised that the results did not reveal very high avoidant traits. I would probably have a lot more relations with people if I overcame certain hangups. I am a pusillanimous person since everything seems depressing for irrational reasons so I never try anything new or any new ideas even when these novelties are intellectually stimulating. New things can be interesting to try, yet I am too lazy to try anything where perfection can only be attained after a series of failures.