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25 Oct 2010, 7:30 am

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AS has nothing to do with self-loathing or hatred.


Having AS can lead to self loathing and hatred. Its the person that has the condition thats defing their own personal being.


That's your problem, not an AS problem. Deal with it, and stop pinning all your issues on AS.


The AS subject hasn't yet been sewn up, no one knows whether the problem lies with AS or lies with the person with AS. Don't claim to know all about the syndrome Asp-Z, even the professionals, who think they know, don't know yet.



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26 Oct 2010, 4:36 am

Craig28 wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Craig28 wrote:
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AS has nothing to do with self-loathing or hatred.


Having AS can lead to self loathing and hatred. Its the person that has the condition thats defing their own personal being.


That's your problem, not an AS problem. Deal with it, and stop pinning all your issues on AS.


The AS subject hasn't yet been sewn up, no one knows whether the problem lies with AS or lies with the person with AS. Don't claim to know all about the syndrome Asp-Z, even the professionals, who think they know, don't know yet.


Unless a significant number of Aspies have those problems, you can't even claim a correlation, let alone causation. And from what I see on this forum, most of us the opposite of you. Ergo, the problems are yours.

Again, quit pinning all your issues on AS.



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26 Oct 2010, 4:52 am

Asp-Z wrote:
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Craig28 wrote:
parrow wrote:
AS has nothing to do with self-loathing or hatred.


Having AS can lead to self loathing and hatred. Its the person that has the condition thats defing their own personal being.


That's your problem, not an AS problem. Deal with it, and stop pinning all your issues on AS.


The AS subject hasn't yet been sewn up, no one knows whether the problem lies with AS or lies with the person with AS. Don't claim to know all about the syndrome Asp-Z, even the professionals, who think they know, don't know yet.


Unless a significant number of Aspies have those problems, you can't even claim a correlation, let alone causation. And from what I see on this forum, most of us the opposite of you. Ergo, the problems are yours.

Again, quit pinning all your issues on AS.


I'll tell ya one thing right now - I was diagnosed at 16. Then the problems started. The diagnosis made me aware that I was really different. Made me feel worse, so I got bad performance out of life.

Oh, yeah, you don't know me, so stop thinking that you do.

Good day to you sir!



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26 Oct 2010, 5:05 am

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I'll tell ya one thing right now - I was diagnosed at 16. Then the problems started. The diagnosis made me aware that I was really different. Made me feel worse, so I got bad performance out of life.

Oh, yeah, you don't know me, so stop thinking that you do.

Good day to you sir!


Your reactions to a diagnosis != the diagnosis itself.



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26 Oct 2010, 5:35 am

Surely the diagnoisis was just a professional confirmation of the differences between you and NTs that were already there...

Instead of hating the diagnosis, can't you just stop a second, look at these differences and realise that they are the same before and after the diagnosis - you, personally, haven't changed. The diagnosis itself put a label, albeit one that you're not comfortable with, onto those differences. But you're still the same person. The diagnosis shouldn't change anything about who you are, or your self esteem or personal confidences. It just means that you're not alone in experiencing this.

Love yourself for who you are - not what labels you have. The diagnosis can be used to help you understand why you have these differences and how you can (if you want to) try to make the differences less noticable to other people.

Personally, I've always been different - I've always said I'd rather be different than a sheep - Now I know more about AS (my partner was diagnosed last year), I've now been able to self-diagnose myself with probable AS, but it doesn't change who I am, what I believe, how I act, why I act how I do. It just means I can understand myself and my differences a little better.

I'm from Leeds, I agree that the disability services is not worth the reams of paper that you'd have to fill in to even try to get any support...

But be assured that life doesn't end with a diagnosis - it's just the beginning...?



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26 Oct 2010, 10:00 am

Asp-Z wrote:
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I'll tell ya one thing right now - I was diagnosed at 16. Then the problems started. The diagnosis made me aware that I was really different. Made me feel worse, so I got bad performance out of life.

Oh, yeah, you don't know me, so stop thinking that you do.

Good day to you sir!


Your reactions to a diagnosis != the diagnosis itself.


Yeah, we all know that 16 year old (like I was) are having a difficult enough time with life and whatnot, and then *poof* some sad fool with a doctorate opens their trap and said that "You got this". She's lucky I didn't rip off her head.



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26 Oct 2010, 10:52 am

Craig28 wrote:
I'll tell ya one thing right now - I was diagnosed at 16. Then the problems started. The diagnosis made me aware that I was really different. Made me feel worse, so I got bad performance out of life.

Oh, yeah, you don't know me, so stop thinking that you do.

Good day to you sir!

Surely it's better to know why you're different, rather than blundering around life wondering why you never fit in, etc.



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26 Oct 2010, 10:55 am

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why would anyone want to NOT have aspergers?


Because it is evil.



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26 Oct 2010, 11:08 am

Craig28 wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
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I'll tell ya one thing right now - I was diagnosed at 16. Then the problems started. The diagnosis made me aware that I was really different. Made me feel worse, so I got bad performance out of life.

Oh, yeah, you don't know me, so stop thinking that you do.

Good day to you sir!


Your reactions to a diagnosis != the diagnosis itself.


Yeah, we all know that 16 year old (like I was) are having a difficult enough time with life and whatnot, and then *poof* some sad fool with a doctorate opens their trap and said that "You got this". She's lucky I didn't rip off her head.


Just to let you know many of us reacted in the exact opposite manner. When I was diagnosed my reaction was more of a "huh, that explains a lot of things" and it actually made me feel better because I could understand who I am little bit more.

My point was that that self loathing and hatred are not traits that the medical field currently links to aspergers. Even if there was a cure for aspergers people can always find some other imperfection or problem that can be blamed for all of the problems in their life. For those that have these issues I'd recommend seeking help on them specifically.



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26 Oct 2010, 11:22 am

wblastyn wrote:
Craig28 wrote:
I'll tell ya one thing right now - I was diagnosed at 16. Then the problems started. The diagnosis made me aware that I was really different. Made me feel worse, so I got bad performance out of life.

Oh, yeah, you don't know me, so stop thinking that you do.

Good day to you sir!

Surely it's better to know why you're different, rather than blundering around life wondering why you never fit in, etc.


When you are attributed with a label, then the NTs start acting differently towards you. The label is offensive, but it hasn't stopped me being intelligent, in fact its made me more determined to get a life with the years that I have left.

Now, to stop the interfering and saboteuring NTs that don't like me being better then they are........... (There are lots of them that I still see on a weekly basis).



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26 Oct 2010, 12:02 pm

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When you are attributed with a label, then the NTs start acting differently towards you.


So then don't tell them you have a label.


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26 Oct 2010, 12:32 pm

Mysty wrote:
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When you are attributed with a label, then the NTs start acting differently towards you.


So then don't tell them you have a label.


I don't, they just assume. All the literature distributed by the UK government in its drive to make society more Aspie friendly and NTs more knowledgeable of the condition has backfired bigtime.



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26 Oct 2010, 12:52 pm

Craig28 wrote:
Mysty wrote:
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When you are attributed with a label, then the NTs start acting differently towards you.


So then don't tell them you have a label.


I don't, they just assume. All the literature distributed by the UK government in its drive to make society more Aspie friendly and NTs more knowledgeable of the condition has backfired bigtime.


Oh. Sorry, I mistakenly thought your comment was a reply to what you quoted about getting diagnosed.


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