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18 Jan 2011, 7:18 am

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What makes Facebook such a great innovation? It's just the same social interaction you get on an online forum without the benefit of anonymity. I don't have a FB account and have absolutely no interest in opening one.

:lol: Facebook is like a dial-up BBS, but with GUI bells & whistles. An old idea with a fresh coat of varnish.


Nah, dial up BBSes could be fun and didn't keep threatening to reveal your private information to everyone at any moment.

:lol: Hah, too true. Isn't "progress" a wonderful thing?


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18 Jan 2011, 7:26 am

I need to inform my nephew that he had better learn computers better than his father or myself. He's not living up to his teenaged obligations.



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18 Jan 2011, 7:31 am

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Nah, dial up BBSes could be fun and didn't keep threatening to reveal your private information to everyone at any moment.


LOL.

REAL geeks highly value their anonymity. Sheeple pile into the social webs while the true power brokers stay behind the curtains


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18 Jan 2011, 11:56 am

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Yeah, it was totally an old fart who invented Facebook, too, right? :roll:


What makes Facebook such a great innovation? It's just the same social interaction you get on an online forum without the benefit of anonymity. I don't have a FB account and have absolutely no interest in opening one.


Whether or not you like it is entirely irrelevant. Literally hundreds of millions of people use it every day and its creator has become a billionaire as a result.

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Fact is, teenagers tend to know their way around a computer, and around any type of tech, more than most adults do.


I've come across a number of high level programmers/engineers who feel that the teenagers/students of today are at a disadvantage because they didn't experience the technical revolution that occurred through the late 70s to the mid 90s. These professionals learned their trades on the early home computers (ZX Spectrum, C64, VIC-20) and got the benefit of learning computing at its most basic level without the complications or convenience of the modern PC. It taught them to think about how a computer operates at every level and how every peripheral and accessory can be best utilised; when you have a maximum RAM space of 3583 bytes, you have to make sure every line of program is pulling its weight.

This is the generation that fostered and developed the technology that made it possible for people to become .com millionaires overnight with an idea and a copy of HTML for Dummies.


I've taught myself a bit of assembly code before, so I'm familiar with the concepts you speak of, and I know at least two people in my year at college who I can say the same of.

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You reckon? Define "young".
(and you lose 20 points if you simply come up with an age less than 35, because that would show you're missing the point)


Well Jobs and Wozniak started Apple while they were in college, and it's the same story with Bill Gates and Microsoft, Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook, etc.

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As if Facebook is the equivalent to curing cancer.


As if age is equivalent to intelligence :roll:

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Wait, I thought teenagers wanted to be treated as adults. Are you an adult or not? I'm confused.


When did I say otherwise? :?



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18 Jan 2011, 2:49 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
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Yeah, it was totally an old fart who invented Facebook, too, right? :roll:

What makes Facebook such a great innovation? It's just the same social interaction you get on an online forum without the benefit of anonymity. I don't have a FB account and have absolutely no interest in opening one.

Whether or not you like it is entirely irrelevant. Literally hundreds of millions of people use it every day and its creator has become a billionaire as a result.

Yeah; millions of people used mp3 players too - and then Apple did one, and suddenly most of them started using an mp3 player called "iPod" instead.
Says nothing whatever about the usefulness or inventive/innovative qualities of the device - but plenty about spin, brand-image and sheep.

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You reckon? Define "young".
(and you lose 20 points if you simply come up with an age less than 35, because that would show you're missing the point)
Well Jobs and Wozniak started Apple while they were in college, and it's the same story with Bill Gates and Microsoft, Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook, etc.

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As if Facebook is the equivalent to curing cancer.
As if age is equivalent to intelligence :roll:

As if young is equivalent to experienced. :roll:


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18 Jan 2011, 3:06 pm

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Yeah; millions of people used mp3 players too - and then Apple did one, and suddenly most of them started using an mp3 player called "iPod" instead.
Says nothing whatever about the usefulness or inventive/innovative qualities of the device - but plenty about spin, brand-image and sheep.


Millions of people still do use MP3 players. The fact that one particular brand of them has become really popular doesn't change that. By your stupid logic, no one uses computers because Windows is popular :roll:

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As if young is equivalent to experienced. :roll:


I never said it was. Being either old or young won't magically give you experience in s**t. You could be old and have done f**k all your whole life, or you could be young and have spent all your time studying computers, and guess what? The young person would be better at computers. Get that, eh? Turns out a number doesn't make you smart :roll:



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18 Jan 2011, 3:24 pm

Guess I really don't get the whole young versus old thing going on here. Anyone wanna 'splain?



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18 Jan 2011, 3:33 pm

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Guess I really don't get the whole young versus old thing going on here. Anyone wanna 'splain?


At the moment, Cornflake is trying to say old people are better with computers than young people. His logic, seemingly, is that the people who created the first computers ages ago, when they were young, are now old.



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18 Jan 2011, 4:00 pm

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Guess I really don't get the whole young versus old thing going on here. Anyone wanna 'splain?

At the moment, Cornflake is trying to say old people are better with computers than young people. His logic, seemingly, is that the people who created the first computers ages ago, when they were young, are now old.

:lol: Heh - that's not really it at all.
But meanwhile, I'm countering your fairly clear assertion that unless you're young, you're toast as far as technology is concerned. Apparently it's only something the young are capable of. Or something. :?


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18 Jan 2011, 4:04 pm

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Get that, eh? Turns out a number doesn't make you smart :roll:
I refer the honourable gentleman to my earlier answer on this matter.


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18 Jan 2011, 5:38 pm

Personally, I think you two are talking around one another. Age doesn't matter wrt knowledg but it does matter when it comes to wisdom.

Asp-z comes off as a teenage youngster but turns out he has at least 1 year of college so is much older than I thought when I addressed him earlier. :) (thought he was about 14 based on posts) He also has chip on his shoulder about being young or at least seems to based on how sensitive he is to being called young and defending youth. Being young is great BUT there is danger in thinking that you know everything at any age. When people reach a certain age (ususally in their 30s) MOST of the time, they realize how little they knew when there were younger and thought they knew everything. Asp-z simply hasn't reached that stage yet where he can differentiate between knowledge and wisdom. Age doesn't invalidate the knowledge... Only the wisdom.

...And then there are the old farts who still haven't developed wisdom so age isn't the only indicator of wisdom either It is just really, really rare to ever find a young person with great wisdom.

As I said before... It isn't about being right but about getting it right. THAT is the thing this post is really about.

Does allowing a person to obsess on their obsession to the exclusion of most everything else promote happiness and success, or do we limit our obsessions and seek some balance? Where is that balance?



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18 Jan 2011, 6:03 pm

I focused on my interests a lot as a child and teenager - increasingly to the exclusion of things like school. However, school was becoming more and more difficult for me and I wasn't receiving any support. At the first sign I understood something better than most I was thrown into advanced classes to sink or swim. This lack of support, I feel, did a lot more damage than the time I spent on my interests at any age.

I am not sure what to advise because I've never been a parent. I mean I would say don't deny him access to his interests at all - that's hugely stressful and speaking from experience being denied access to my interests (this happened growing up and in a long-term - abusive - relationship) simply meant I found ways to gain access anyway.

So complete denial is, I think, a bad thing. However much access he gets, just make sure he's supported and has help he needs when he needs it.



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18 Jan 2011, 6:53 pm

kfisherx wrote:
Asp-z comes off as a teenage youngster but turns out he has at least 1 year of college so is much older than I thought when I addressed him earlier. :) (thought he was about 14 based on posts)


College doesn't mean the same in the UK as it does in the US. In the UK, college means further education which is anything from teaching people with learning difficulties to read and write to vocational training or GCSEs/A levels. University is the term we use to describe higher education or degree level study.

According to his previous posts, Asp-Z is based in the UK and is 16 years of age, which makes him too young to be a university student but old enough to be in the first year of his A levels or equivalent qualifications. The US equivalent would be a High School Diploma.



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18 Jan 2011, 7:19 pm

Very happy to agree with both kfisherx (who explained much better than I could) and Verdandi on this one.
EnglishInvader adds a good point too. (hey - Hertfordshire! Same here :lol: )


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18 Jan 2011, 8:18 pm

I'm in agreement with everyone who says you should let him use the computer/internet, but you should be there to explain what is and is not acceptable usage. From what it sounds like, he seems to be on the right track anyway. Plus, don't think of using the computer as a necessarily seclusive kind of thing, you two can share links and discuss sites you both like. It's good to be supportive of a special interest, it's even better to be involved. I was really lucky my mom was a computer person too, so I grew up using them and had my own laptop at age 12 (not so common 8 years ago). She would help me write programs, and take me to her work and let me fix some of her workmates pc's, etc., it was really fun.

As for the whole young vs. old thing going down in here, as a university student and IT person for said university, I understand why Asp-Z thinks most older folks are less proficient with computers. I've met many professors who can barely use email. And from my experience there is a higher percentage of young people who are comfortable with basic concepts(installations, internet usage, spyware/virus removal), but most don't delve any deeper than that. There's probably a similar proportion of truly technologically savvy young people as there are older people. But the older people that are tech-savvy, are in fact much more knowledgeable as a whole. I've learned tons from my comp sci professors, and especially my boss (who was kind enough to explain usenet to me XD).

There is a ridiculous amount to learn if one truly wants to understand modern computing, and seeing as us younger folks weren't around when it was first developed, we do have some catching up to do. Sure you can open up a nice little GUI editor and write some code without knowing the fundamentals, but all advancements are built off of the contributions of others before us, so understanding the evolution of computing is in fact beneficial. It's also fascinating.


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18 Jan 2011, 8:51 pm

My main (special) interest is computers/Internet.

I was into BASIC programming before I started high school. (I started high school in 1990.) I feel that I've had a head start considering how important computers have become in today's society.

However, I haven't had a paid job involving computers. I'm not sure if I could handle the stress -- a pity because programmers in the 1990s could fetch a decent salary.

I used to -- and still do -- spend several hours a day on the computer/Internet. However, lately I have been trying to have time-out away from the computer. If I'm by myself, that's hard to do. I would rather use my brain and mind using the Internet or playing a computer game than staring at a TV or the four walls.