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06 Apr 2011, 10:34 am

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you are smart not to believe the results.
i would think that if you were truly 144, then you would not be bothered talking about yourself with relation to your IQ score, and i also think you would have stated why you do not believe it, and you would not make such an ill considered statement as "If I were so smart, I would be rich and not nearly as socially inept as I am."

so slap yourself on the back. you are too "smart" to believe you have an IQ of 144.


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06 Apr 2011, 10:58 am

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From two different tests I got 144 and 141, respectively. Although the scores were almost equal, I still don't believe it. If I were so smart, I would be rich and not nearly as socially inept as I am.

But it is a good score, I think. :wink:


Same here. I think people who are truly smart rarely see themselves as so. I suspect it's because intelligence usually comes at a price. When one function of your brain is strong, inevitably something else is going to be weak. I cannot remember how to get places (I believe it's called topographic agnosia) and I couldn't tell my right from left until I was 7, which is older than normal. People often tell me I'm spacey, and some are really condescending.

I tested my IQ using this: self-scoring IQ booklet I believe these are pretty accurate, as the only person who gave it a bad review was probably just angry because his IQ was lower than expected.


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06 Apr 2011, 12:06 pm

rabidmonkey4262 wrote:
Magnus_Rex wrote:
From two different tests I got 144 and 141, respectively. Although the scores were almost equal, I still don't believe it. If I were so smart, I would be rich and not nearly as socially inept as I am.

But it is a good score, I think. :wink:


Same here. I think people who are truly smart rarely see themselves as so. I suspect it's because intelligence usually comes at a price. When one function of your brain is strong, inevitably something else is going to be weak.


That's to be expected, I would think. Considering 1% of the population has an IQ above 134, 10% of the population is "rich", and 10-30% are "socially successful"(Use whatever qualifier there), you'd have to be a pretty freaking lucky duck to have a high IQ, be socially successful and to be rich.

Even given that one has a "high IQ", and you're considering that 20% of high-IQ types are "socially successful" and 30% of high IQ types are "rich", and the correlation between the two is negligible, the probability is still pretty low you'll have all three ducks lined up. (.2*.3 = 6%; assuming some positive correlation between the two, than maybe somewhere between 6-20%.)

Even if we were optimistic and assumed that half of high IQ types were rich and half were socially advantaged, you're still talking about a probability between 25% and 50%. That leaves a sizable quantity of high IQ types that don't have the social ability and being rich.

However, don't despair, there's a positive IQ-wealth of correlation of .6 during middle Adulthood in America! See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligen ... ent#Income . But... that's in America. The correlation is probably less in less meritocratic countries.



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06 Apr 2011, 1:56 pm

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06 Apr 2011, 2:12 pm

Far too high.



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06 Apr 2011, 2:39 pm

My IQ is about 20-30 points lower than the majority of people in this thread. Am I the only Aspie here with average intelligence?



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06 Apr 2011, 2:59 pm

swbluto wrote:
That's to be expected, I would think. Considering 1% of the population has an IQ above 134, 10% of the population is "rich", and 10-30% are "socially successful"(Use whatever qualifier there), you'd have to be a pretty freaking lucky duck to have a high IQ, be socially successful and to be rich.

Even given that one has a "high IQ", and you're considering that 20% of high-IQ types are "socially successful" and 30% of high IQ types are "rich", and the correlation between the two is negligible, the probability is still pretty low you'll have all three ducks lined up. (.2*.3 = 6%; assuming some positive correlation between the two, than maybe somewhere between 6-20%.)

Even if we were optimistic and assumed that half of high IQ types were rich and half were socially advantaged, you're still talking about a probability between 25% and 50%. That leaves a sizable quantity of high IQ types that don't have the social ability and being rich.

However, don't despair, there's a positive IQ-wealth of correlation of .6 during middle Adulthood in America! See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligen ... ent#Income . But... that's in America. The correlation is probably less in less meritocratic countries.


What I meant to say is:
- supposedly, knowledge is power;
- therefore, an individual with a high IQ (in other words, a "smart person") should be capable of achieving whatever he set his mind to;
- my IQ is, supposedly, higher than 97-98% of the population (both tests used a deviation of 15 points, which means I'm 2 deviations above the average);
- I am very ambitious and, yet, fairly frustrated by my lack of social skills (actually, I have this love/hate relationship with people in general; can't stand them, but I still need basic social skills);
- therefore, at 20 years old, I should already be financially succesful and learn the basic communication skills I want.



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06 Apr 2011, 10:35 pm

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My IQ is about 20-30 points lower than the majority of people in this thread. Am I the only Aspie here with average intelligence?


Nope.

I've never taken an IQ test, but I doubt it would be anything but average.

Thankfully, I don't subscribe to the notion of "intelligence," nor do I believe that IQ is the "most important" measure of a person's mental capabilities.


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06 Apr 2011, 11:07 pm

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I've never taken an IQ test, but I doubt it would be anything but average.


*reads tag line*

*reads username*

*reads location*

*makes a few inferences from the grammatical structure*

..... yeahhhhh......oooooooooo-kay.



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06 Apr 2011, 11:10 pm

swbluto wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
I've never taken an IQ test, but I doubt it would be anything but average.


*reads tag line*

*reads username*

*reads location*

*makes a few inferences from the grammatical structure*

..... yeahhhhh......oooooooooo-kay.


Care to elaborate?

I'm generally terrible at picking up when people are trying to insult me, so, if that was your intent, you'll probably have to be more obvious.

As for my tagline, it's a quote from the movie, "The X-Files: Fight the Future." I'd be interested to know what "inferences" you'd draw from it that you feel are relevant to this discussion.


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06 Apr 2011, 11:18 pm

Magnus_Rex wrote:

What I meant to say is:
- supposedly, knowledge is power;
- therefore, an individual with a high IQ (in other words, a "smart person") should be capable of achieving whatever he set his mind to;
- my IQ is, supposedly, higher than 97-98% of the population (both tests used a deviation of 15 points, which means I'm 2 deviations above the average);
- I am very ambitious and, yet, fairly frustrated by my lack of social skills (actually, I have this love/hate relationship with people in general; can't stand them, but I still need basic social skills);
- therefore, at 20 years old, I should already be financially succesful and learn the basic communication skills I want.


That's assuming "social skills" / "social drive" are largely acquirable through intellectual processes and, while there's a correlation between working memory and "social capacity", it really isn't that dependent (Sadly enough).

Nope - it depends a lot on empathy, speech capability, intrinsic interest, relate-ability, and social anhedonia (intrinsic "social desire" / "social drive".). Also, being a skill, it's largely acquired through practice though there are undoubtedly fundamental attributes that depend on hard-to-change cognitive characteristics that are largely neuronally determined that may diminish one's "social potential". I believe I have an expressive language disorder or had an expressive language order (Which implies a less-developed-than-normal Wernickes or Broca's area), which affects the adaptability of my speech content and ability to conform to societal norms (Which is a large part of "socialization".). It appears you don't have those problems as far as "speech potential" goes, and you seem to adapt your speech to normal social contexts fairly well, so I'm guessing there's probably a lack of mutual relate-ability.



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06 Apr 2011, 11:23 pm

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swbluto wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
I've never taken an IQ test, but I doubt it would be anything but average.


*reads tag line*

*reads username*

*reads location*

*makes a few inferences from the grammatical structure*

..... yeahhhhh......oooooooooo-kay.


Care to elaborate?

I'm generally terrible at picking up when people are trying to insult me, so, if that was your intent, you'll probably have to be more obvious.

As for my tagline, it's a quote from the movie, "The X-Files: Fight the Future." I'd be interested to know what "inferences" you'd draw from it that you feel are relevant to this discussion.


I wasn't trying to insult you, I was trying to imply your somewhat obvious intellectual sophistication belied your claim of "being average". But you might be, I don't know.

Also, it was inferences based on your natural grammar in your post, not the tagline.



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06 Apr 2011, 11:29 pm

swbluto wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
swbluto wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
I've never taken an IQ test, but I doubt it would be anything but average.


*reads tag line*

*reads username*

*reads location*

*makes a few inferences from the grammatical structure*

..... yeahhhhh......oooooooooo-kay.


Care to elaborate?

I'm generally terrible at picking up when people are trying to insult me, so, if that was your intent, you'll probably have to be more obvious.

As for my tagline, it's a quote from the movie, "The X-Files: Fight the Future." I'd be interested to know what "inferences" you'd draw from it that you feel are relevant to this discussion.


I wasn't trying to insult you, I was trying to imply your somewhat obvious intellectual sophistication belied your claim of "being average". But you might be, I don't know.


Ah. My bad. I told you I was terrible at picking up on that kind of thing. :lol:

Anyway, thank you, but I'm pretty sure I'm fairly average. I think I have way too much respect for who I consider "smart people" to count myself among them. And I couldn't tell time until I was in junior high school. Blah.


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10 Apr 2011, 1:35 am

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133 Wechsler Belview.

I think I should have scored higher by I interpreted some of the questions literally. I am not sure to what extent I.Q. tests intended for NTs applies to Aspies. Our brains operate differently.

Possibly. I would have estimated you at 150+, but that might partly be because I tend to agree with most of your posts. And perhaps experience acts as a substitute for IQ as well.

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So, my numbers will be lower when I'm an adult, but my level of logic will hardly falter.

Or, perhaps, you'll get smarter as you become an adult, and your numbers will stay about the same. That's what usually happens.

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people with high IQ's i would think should realize that it is futile to state them on an internet forum.

threads like this are mainly stages for "revelations" that are not paid attention to by many people. people like to state their IQ, but may not be as interested in the IQ's of anyone else.

Presumably people who read these threads are interested in the IQs of other people. I know I am.

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when i read a post that states the poster has an IQ of say.. 160, i think "if you were that smart, why would you even bother to quote a number rather than demonstrate by example, the quality of your mind in everything you otherwise post"

Perhaps an IQ 160 is not as smart as you imagine it to be. It's certainly not omniscient. Even the smartest person in the world can be wrong if he's not in possession of the relevant facts.

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i would think most people with IQ's of 160+ would not be interested in parading their score on a forum because they would receive ample reinforcement every day from people in real life who react with "admiration" (for want of a better word) to their contributions, no matter how scant, and so they would not want for any scaffolding to reinforce the support of their self esteem.

"Admiration" is not how people normally react to smarter people proving them wrong, and that's the path such interactions often follow.

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people who are gifted (if they learn of their IQ score) may decide that they need not listen to the words of others because they are reinforced to think that all other thoughts than their own are inferior. they may become an unwilling stowaway on a ship headed toward isolation.

Knowing their IQ scores is quite unnecessary for that. People who are highly intelligent tend to be surrounded by people who are not as smart as they are, and quickly come to the conclusion all on their own that they're always right. It's only when they're thrown in with a significant number of other people with similarly high or higher intelligence that they may realize they can still be wrong.

And in answer to the original poster's question, I usually test at about 4 standard deviations above average. People who care about the numbers should be able to figure that out, and everyone else can ignore it.



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10 Apr 2011, 1:58 am

AFAIK, IQ over 3 (or so) standard deviations over the average, plus high rationality kind of makes you godlike. At least totally different from everyone else, in a good way. If you want a good IQ test, try this one, it's free and I heard it's good: http://www.cerebrals.org/wp/?page_id=44

And please, post your scores.



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10 Apr 2011, 2:26 am

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If you want a good IQ test, try this one, it's free and I heard it's good: http://www.cerebrals.org/wp/?page_id=44

Haven't taken it, but I wonder if the emphasis on induction might bias it against aspies, who seem to be better at deduction.