The paronormle
What valid, material evidence do you offer for the existance of extra-terrestrial aliens?
The term "UFO" is an acronym that stands for Unidentified Flying Object. Just because you or anyone else can not identify what a flying object is, it does not follow that the object is of extra-terrestrial origin.
Everything that can be detected by human senses can be understood through investigation, eventually. I.E. if there really are unidentified vehicles flying around, either form an alien world, or our own future, eventually this can and will be understood.
We have no parameter basis to know what lies beyond our senses, our tools, beyond our capacities. What happens is that often, people like to fill this imaginably vast 'unknown' area with paranormal ideas, etc. This common practice is not coherent logically. We can't just tuck the unknown conveniently into the gaps in human knowledge, in human capacity. As such, there is no such thing as "paranormal" as everything that actually does happen will be investigated and acknowledged/understood. It will become knowledge. As for the "stuff we can never know" or "stuff beyond understanding" this falls into the realm of belief. "Paranormal" is an abstract word, a thought-stopper, a deference to magic and mysticism. There is no reason to entertain these things unless one is concerned with their own sense of unique experiences as superior to everyday perception, or superior to others. The universal human prejudice is that everyone likes to believe they have a secret key to truth, a secret insight, or something others do not. Yet there is no logical basis to think this, it comes only out of self-righteousness, or pursuit of power. The humble fact is that there are no gurus, nobody holds a key. We are all well equipped to perceive this reality, to unfold and understand it - and when we work together to do this (science) the results are .... well ,you're typing on them.
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You stop looking at it. Seriously, a lot people need to learn this trick.
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We have no parameter basis to know what lies beyond our senses, our tools, beyond our capacities. What happens is that often, people like to fill this imaginably vast 'unknown' area with paranormal ideas, etc. This common practice is not coherent logically.
It's instinctive - we all seem to be driven to understand why or who's behind it all.
Wow! I've tried, but I couldn't have said it better myself!

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I believe in aliens too, not because I've seen them, but because it's statistically an almost certainty that we are not alone
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'not only has he hacked his intellect away from his feelings, but he has smashed his feelings and his capacity for judgment into smithereens'.
That's awesome, Fnord! I never would have pegged your for a reader

After general statements, you can begin to home in on specifics that apply to most people by referencing such things as:
• Jewelry from a deceased family member
• Old medicine or medical supplies out of date
• Toys, books, mementos from childhood
• A box of old photographs, most not in albums
• Watch or clock that no longer works
• Electronic gizmo or gadget that no longer works
• Out of date note on fridge or near the phone
• Books about a hobby no longer pursued
• Keys that you can’t remember what they go to
• Drawer that is stuck or doesn’t slide properly
And peculiarities about the person:
• Childhood accident involving water
• Number 2 in the home address
• Scar on knee
• Wore hair long as a child, then shorter haircut
• Clothing never worn
• Photos of loved ones in purse
• A single earring that is missing a match
Everybody has about half of these in common; the trick is to determine what would be the most likely thing to focus on for that particular person.
Also, There are seven things people most want to talk about: Love, Health, Money, Career, Travel, Education, & Ambition (from Lesson #3). Keep your talk centered on these subjects, and you'll be raking in the money!
Not that I'm encouraging you or anyone else to go into a business that plays on the fear and ignorance of their clients (there are enough churches for that). Instead, I'm trying to show that there is nothing more to being "psychic" that any con-artist doesn't already know and employ.
The thing is, I never used those tricks nor read that book. I just started blabbing. All of it came from inside. I was not a classically trained psychic asking away. I just started talking, not asking.
I do ask a lot of question, but not while reading cards. I ask questions when talking about...science.
What you describe sounds like textbook psychic ability and it's not the same as what I am talking about. What I am talking about cannot be learned by following simple steps or guidelines. It's part of the mind, inherently.
If you want to tell the story, I for one would like to hear it.
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You stop looking at it. Seriously, a lot people need to learn this trick.
No not when its spaming my email

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I love Derren Brown, I think he's very funny and clever, and I know he's a sceptic, but I still believe in the paranormal. I hope I hardly need to add that that doesn't mean that I automatically and uncritically believe anything anyone says just because it is of a paranormal nature.
I wish, by the way, that professed sceptics would turn some of their energy to the rigorous scientific examination of the claims made by medical psychiatry to be able to diagnose and treat "mental illnesses". That would be a very useful public service, at least as useful as the rigorous scrutiny of claims made by organised religions and by large religious cults, and much more useful than exposing the antics of the ragtag army of small-time psychic frauds. The silence of the scientific community as a whole on the major pseudoscientific scandal, the social atrocity, and the HUGE financial fraud, of medical psychiatry is itself scandalous.
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No not when its spaming my email

Oh, there's a link in the email to "stop watching." Also, look in your profile settings. There's a button to either get an email or not when a new reply is posted.
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You stop looking at it. Seriously, a lot people need to learn this trick.
No not when its spaming my email

On my browser, it looks for all the world as if there is a URL at the bottom of each page, labelled "Stop watching this topic", but, not only is it inactive (on my browser, Firefox 2, and under my embarrassingly ancient operating system, Windows 98SE, which may be the problem), I can't even select the text label with the mouse! I've asked about this in the "WrongPlanet.net Discussion" forum, but there was no answer, possibly because the problem is only with my browser and/or my OS - in which case, you should have no trouble using the link, and turning off those annoying e-mail reminders!
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You can't turn off any forum, even if it isn't going the way that you originally wanted.
I want it to remain, and I'm sure that others do too.
(BTW: You spelled "Paranormal" wrong.)
I myself do not see a big problem no its not because this is not going my way its because ITS SPAMING my mail! x.x; And i mean litterly. I dont even understand half of what you guys are talking about plus i dont have the heart to care for if someone dont believe...Acsoley im a very uncareing person. Ill care if something is intotaneing or if someones feelings are hurt. Other then that if i do not understand the point of keeping something up then i will take something down.
If it is spaming my mail lol.
We have no parameter basis to know what lies beyond our senses, our tools, beyond our capacities. What happens is that often, people like to fill this imaginably vast 'unknown' area with paranormal ideas, etc. This common practice is not coherent logically. We can't just tuck the unknown conveniently into the gaps in human knowledge, in human capacity. As such, there is no such thing as "paranormal" as everything that actually does happen will be investigated and acknowledged/understood. It will become knowledge. As for the "stuff we can never know" or "stuff beyond understanding" this falls into the realm of belief. "Paranormal" is an abstract word, a thought-stopper, a deference to magic and mysticism. There is no reason to entertain these things unless one is concerned with their own sense of unique experiences as superior to everyday perception, or and to others. The universal human prejudice is that everyone likes to believe they have a secret key to truth, a secret insight, or something others do not. Yet there is no logical basis to think this, it comes only out of self-righteousness, or pursuit of power. The humble fact is that there are no gurus, nobody holds a key. We are all well equipped to perceive this reality, to unfold and understand it - and when we work together to do this (science) the results are .... well ,you're typing on them.
Did you read the quotation from Prof. C. D. Broad in this post on page 5 of the thread? If so, what did you think of it? If not, will you consider reading it, at some point, and giving an opinion?
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