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Verdandi
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24 Jun 2011, 8:32 pm

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they basically are the only options here. granted you could embrace each to a varying degree, but those degrees are formed of those two distinctions.


I don't agree, it's an overly simplistic representation and assigns moral judgments to people who may be overwhelmed by their difficulties.


this was one end of the spectrum of which i was speaking.


You mean the mildest cases?



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24 Jun 2011, 8:36 pm

Verdandi wrote:
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they basically are the only options here. granted you could embrace each to a varying degree, but those degrees are formed of those two distinctions.


I don't agree, it's an overly simplistic representation and assigns moral judgments to people who may be overwhelmed by their difficulties.

They're also subjective. Maybe I'm a bit sensitized to the people who have tried to criticize me for "giving up without trying" because I am applying for SSI and tried to claim that I can obviously work because I can type and write well, whereas for me I am going out and trying my best after having exhausted all other avenues over the past two decades. An ability to type and write well does not mean I can hold a job doing these things because they are typically in offices (with other people, fluorescent lighting, the necessity to spend much of the day working on a keyboard rather than the option to stop when I need to rest because my arms hurt like hell) and so on.

I know you've accounted for this already, but when most people say things like that? They didn't. They're saying "suck it up."


that funny. someone took me to be diagnosed after i graduated college because they didn't think i could deal with everything on my own. it depends on the people i guess. my mom for example likes to get really pissed off whenever i complain about noise. not as bad as it was when i was younger and not diagnosed, but she's still very insensitive to it. like when i complain about the kids next door banging around. apparently they deserve to do this even if it destroys my life according to her.

and yeah, people can be insensitive. many are insensitive to my foot problems for example. now, because i gave in and listened to them i went from being able to stand all day in shoes every now and then to not being able to stand for more than a couple hours in shoes without significant pain. of course, that didn't matter to anyone i knew and i ended up homeless anyway.



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24 Jun 2011, 9:37 pm

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We should be celebrating our differences due to having Aspergers. Forget what other ignorant people think about our differences. They seriously need to get a life. The only person's opinion that really matters is your own opinion.


He speaks.

Celebrate Asperger's?

Screw that.

Celebrate life?

I'm down with that.

It just so happens that the life I celebrate has Asperger's as part of it. Oh well.


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24 Jun 2011, 9:43 pm

Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:
We should be celebrating our differences due to having Aspergers. Forget what other ignorant people think about our differences. They seriously need to get a life. The only person's opinion that really matters is your own opinion.


What a contradicting post this is!



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24 Jun 2011, 10:33 pm

Why are the Aspergers skeptics so adamant about trying to find a cure and treat us.
Would you want to be cured from being a certain race or religion if you did not want to be cured? Aspergers makes you, you. Your Aspergers just like your race or religion makes you, you.

I freely chose Asperger lifestyle and I embrace it as my religion. Aspergers makes me, me. I am so sick and tired of the Eugenicists wanting to cure or treat Aspergers. Having Aspergers is cool and I am a true believer in Aspergers.



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24 Jun 2011, 10:36 pm

I'm really enjoying your change of tactics here... it needs some work... a bit too tranparent in its goals... but a good try.



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24 Jun 2011, 10:49 pm

Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:
Would you want to be cured from being a certain race or religion if you did not want to be cured?

Ummmmmm . . . did you actually just ask this?

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I freely chose Asperger lifestyle and I embrace it as my religion. <snip> Having Aspergers is cool it gives me the license to say what I want and never be held accountable.


What is the "Asperger lifestyle"?

If you honestly think that you aren't held accountable for what you say, I must conclude that you still live at home and are not responsible for earning the money to support yourself. If you have a job which pays well enough to support a reasonably comfortable life, your boss most assuredly holds you responsible for inappropriate things you say at work.



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24 Jun 2011, 11:41 pm

Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:
Why are the Aspergers skeptics so adamant about trying to find a cure and treat us.
Would you want to be cured from being a certain race or religion if you did not want to be cured? Aspergers makes you, you. Your Aspergers just like your race or religion makes you, you.

I freely chose Asperger lifestyle and I embrace it as my religion. Aspergers makes me, me. I am so sick and tired of the Eugenicists wanting to cure or treat Aspergers. Having Aspergers is cool and I am a true believer in Aspergers.


you're extremely illogical.

anyone else think this is some NT troll?



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24 Jun 2011, 11:44 pm

I agree.



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24 Jun 2011, 11:44 pm

oldmantime wrote:
Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:
Why are the Aspergers skeptics so adamant about trying to find a cure and treat us.
Would you want to be cured from being a certain race or religion if you did not want to be cured? Aspergers makes you, you. Your Aspergers just like your race or religion makes you, you.

I freely chose Asperger lifestyle and I embrace it as my religion. Aspergers makes me, me. I am so sick and tired of the Eugenicists wanting to cure or treat Aspergers. Having Aspergers is cool and I am a true believer in Aspergers.


you're extremely illogical.

anyone else think this is some NT troll?


He may have AS, but he has said elsewhere that he likes to troll.



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24 Jun 2011, 11:53 pm

Now, this is much better. I'm going to go get some popcorn. :wink:


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25 Jun 2011, 12:18 am

oldmantime wrote:
Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:
Why are the Aspergers skeptics so adamant about trying to find a cure and treat us.
Would you want to be cured from being a certain race or religion if you did not want to be cured? Aspergers makes you, you. Your Aspergers just like your race or religion makes you, you.

I freely chose Asperger lifestyle and I embrace it as my religion. Aspergers makes me, me. I am so sick and tired of the Eugenicists wanting to cure or treat Aspergers. Having Aspergers is cool and I am a true believer in Aspergers.


you're extremely illogical.

anyone else think this is some NT troll?


His relatively conventional speech patterns and the underlying emotional content of his posts suggests there's an exceedingly high likelihood he's NT.



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25 Jun 2011, 12:59 am

Hi Verdandi,

If the Asperger's Syndrome is genetic, "EVERY celluar PART of a person with the Syndrome IS the product of the Asperger's Syndrome".

Asperger's is correlated with gifted or higher IQ, to the extent that without artificial abstract constructs, it is next to impossible to differentiate a "gifted child" from the "gifted Asperger's Syndrome child" using empirical evidence (the hard science empirical evidence reveals no differences). The Law of Variances comes into play because of the greater expanse of standard deviations of Asperger's IQs, where with Binet's tests, very high IQs are disproportionately identified with Asperger's (Ioan James' book speculates this too, with many (20) (to most?) top famous geniuses). Gifted merges are at: http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/Articles_id_10167.aspx and http://www.homeschooldiner.com/specials ... rs_2E.html
An older paper (but not old enough to avoid DSM-IV) on "Validity and Neuropsychological Characterization of Asperger Syndrome" that's being "defined away" is at: http://www.aspaonline.net/upload/Validi ... 5B1%5D.pdf with http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/IQtable.aspx
Older references are sometimes more available through Ngrams: http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?cont ... moothing=3

The State Rehab told me I was too disabled for rehab services, the Federal courts told me I wasn't disabled enough under the Rehab Act/ADA, and the U.S. Supreme Court finds it humorously, and probably criminal without exonerating evidence, that a person can be SSDI/SSI disabled by statutory guidelines, yet claim to be otherwise quailified for gainful activities with reasonable accommodation. The self-contradictory burden and negative prejudice is placed on the ADA protected individual by the institutions doing the "protection". The Supreme Court told me to go to hell, but I did get my SSI, but no job and no rehab because of the Catch-22 of my being in the top 3% of the top 25%, and in the bottom 3% of the bottom 10%.

I like the satirical "suck it up" cartoon at: http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/ ... nimgC.html and the obit: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/arts/ ... lahan.html

Hi OldManTime,

Could you explain your viewpoint on IQ BS to the Federal judge who just deprived you of a good job because your higher than normal IQ "disqualified" you (125 versus 104)??? http://www.thisistrue.com/to_protect_an ... _6657.html and http://nyletterpress.wordpress.com/2008 ... telligent/

The "juicy details" you missed is in your induction that is like, since a person's heart has been beating since the start of life, their heart will beat forever, if they don't give in and let it stop. Only the two "Yes" and "No" distinctions gives the question: "If you visit Lake Disappointment in Australia to verify your firm belief that it is the world's most aptly named landmark, will you be disappointed?", or Smullyan's citation of "Will you answer no to this question?" http://books.google.com/books?id=9SyyUO ... se&f=false
It happens with government agencies also, in fact, it gave birth to "Catch-22" by Joseph Heller. The judges often determine who gets the money.



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25 Jun 2011, 1:03 am

The aspergers just makes me socially akward........but it does not control everything I do, I did not start drinking because I have aspergers I did it because I wanted to for example.



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25 Jun 2011, 5:58 am

another_1 wrote:
Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:
Would you want to be cured from being a certain race or religion if you did not want to be cured?

Ummmmmm . . . did you actually just ask this?

He's dead. Murdered. And someone's responsible!


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25 Jun 2011, 10:44 am

Team Aspergers is growing in numbers. Skeptics and non-believers of Aspergers shut your hack mouths. Team Aspergers do not need negative non-believers in Aspergers to put us down.

Team Aspergers have been pushed around for too long and it is time that we all stand up against the skeptics and non-believers. Team Aspergers fight back against non-believers and skeptics of Aspergers.