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20 Feb 2005, 5:04 pm

I think 99% of the Bible is just made up. I think it teaches some important lessons and I also think that some of the stories are based on actual events just like all other myths in history. For the most part, though, you might as well read any other fictional book.



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20 Feb 2005, 5:09 pm

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They werent. There are two creation stories in the bible.


Really? I've read the Bible and I only remember one. Could you please explain what the two stories are?



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20 Feb 2005, 5:55 pm

1) let there be light, 2) garden of eden


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20 Feb 2005, 8:12 pm

Bec wrote:
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They werent. There are two creation stories in the bible.


Really? I've read the Bible and I only remember one. Could you please explain what the two stories are?


In the first part of genesis, it says god created the earth....then on sixth day (or so ) he created humans. Later it says god created adam, well after the 7th day. So I think it represents a developmental stage in the second one.

Alex kind of hits on it. I heard it before then I actually read it in the bible.



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21 Feb 2005, 12:43 am

I'm reading a book at the moment called The God Code. It links the Hebrew name of God (YHVH) and the Hebrew name for man (YHVG) by their letters and numerical values to Hydrogen, Nitrogyn, Oxyen and Carbon. It also links this and the names to our DNA which then reads as the following message:-

The Eternal/Within

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21 Feb 2005, 8:55 am

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I think 99% of the Bible is just made up. I think it teaches some important lessons and I also think that some of the stories are based on actual events just like all other myths in history. For the most part, though, you might as well read any other fictional book.




Exactly right. Many of the stories and much of the symbolism in the bible are based on ancient religions and myths that were around way before christianity. The reason the bible doesn't mention women very often is because the church was patriarchal and downplayed the role of women in society.



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21 Feb 2005, 2:42 pm

I dont think it is necessarily 99%, false. If you just take out all the fluff, much of what is left is based on older stories, which are most likely based on actual events, like Noah, based on Gilgamesh, based on a tale of an actual Mesopotamian King.



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21 Feb 2005, 7:42 pm

The search for Truth. My life long obsession that I can't brake away from. I was raised in a methodist church. I went until I was 18. I was a christian for maybe 3 years between the ages of 10 - 13. I am always wanting to do the right thing and get very anxious when I don't know how to do the right thing. Trying to be a christian only made this feeling worse. As well as that, I am obsessive about truth. From very young I could not see God and a bearded man somewhere up there. God is the blade of grass and the snot dripping from the cows nostril and the splashes of colour within a single petal as well as whatever it is that links them all together that I cant see. The people at church had put God in a box and painted a personality on it. Given it a gender and attributes that relate to humans. So I only see them doing to God what they try to do to me. If they can't figure me out when I'm standing right there doing my best to explain who I am, then I don't have much faith in their perception of God either.

I have searched for truth constantly and I want to stop but I can't. I just keep going deeper and deeper and further back and further back, searching through myths and stories. I have tried out christianity. I have been working in a Spiritual Healing Centre as a volunteer for the last 2 years. (Unitl recently when 2 of them said they didn't want to know me but wont say why). I have searched into Buddhist phylosophy (which sits well with me). In fact I wouldn't be at all suprised if Buddha was HFA.
I have run out of space for belief though. Someone said something to me about a year ago about beleif and truth and since then I do not know if beleif is real either.
About 6 months ago I realized my perseption is all in my brain, but I know that my brain does not perceive what is there correctly. (For example:- counting crosses that turn into boxes and looking at them as seeing boxes even though I had just seen them as crosses, my brain refuses to see them that way.
So if my interaction with the world is based on my perseption of it, but I can't trust my perseption where does does that leave me? It leaves me not knowing what to beleive.


(sorry if this is a bit of a rant, I'm in one of those moods)

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21 Feb 2005, 11:03 pm

ElfMan wrote:
I have searched into Buddhist phylosophy (which sits well with me).


I agree. Buddha was quite a guy. These are my three favourite quotes by Buddha:

1. Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you're the one who gets burned.

2. Work out your own salvation. Do not depend on others.

3. Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.



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21 Feb 2005, 11:33 pm

Bec

My favourite Buddha quote comes from the show Monkey.

To desire not to desire is still to be caught in the wheel.

and Pigsy says to Sandy :- "your only young once, over and over again"
but I don't think he was quoting Buddha.

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22 Feb 2005, 8:00 am

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I like being a Christian, it's nice to know that when I feel like I am unaccepted I have a God who loves me........regardless. I was raised Baptist, my husband was raised Catholic. We both strayed for a long time away from our faiths. When we dedicated our lives back to God we were in the Jesus movement. My parents didn't care that I ended up at a different church, but my husbands parents were not happy. My husband and I met at a Bible College, and have been together ever sense. In spite of our differences, I love my in-laws and wouldn't trade them. I am going to start going to their Churches Catholic Charismatic meetings. I use to go to one when I was in high school. So much fun. Good people.I don't know if my in-laws will join me, but hey...they are cool with us now, and know we are not anti Catholic. We love our Jesus, and thats what matters, they pray for us, and we pray for them. Sometimes we pray together. And God does answer prayers.


That is all that matters you have discovered His goodness

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22 Feb 2005, 8:03 am

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hmmm, is it not interesting how-

The Apple tree of sin was placed in eden just to tempt what was supposed to be perfect to begin with? perhaps it was meant to be that humans was to eat of this apple in the first place? and if so why punish Adam and eve for what was first planed in the first place? if god is perfect and knows everything even whats in someones heart then he/she would know that they would eat of the apple in the first place, and if so why tempt them in the first place but instead make them the way we was meant to be in the first place? did he/she just want a reason to pick on us and blame us for something? perhaps his/her own mistakes? oh thats right god don't make mistakes does he/she/it?!?!.

also

If Adam and eve only had two sons where did the sons get their wives? was the girls apes? or did they bread their mother for more children? its not Adam's children (girls) for if it was then the rest of his children would have been noted wouldn't they? and if he did have more children that was not noted then wouldn't those girls be the sisters of his other two sons?
hmmm incest and bestiality, are not those sins them selves? perhaps Adam and eve was not the only first ones god created, but then again if thats the case where did the others come from and why was they not mentioned? and that would mean that Adam and eve was not the first wouldn't it? because if they was then where the extra wives come from?
was others made from the clay of the earth as well but not mentioned in the bible? and if so what was their sins to be rejected from the garden of eden them selves? or was they not given a chance to be in eden because of Adam and Eve messing up? and if thats the case why blame them for others mistakes and if they made mistakes why make more imperfections?

Alas, this does not help with where the dinosaur's bones came from, perhaps they was just placed to throw us off track, and if so is that not a lie in its self? god sinning?!? hmmmm.

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The tree was knowledge. God had intended for us to get our only knowledge from him. We could have been like God, we were created in his image. We would have stayed in Eden but Eve was weak

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22 Feb 2005, 11:42 am

so was Adam, it was his choice to listen to Eve. Eve was naive being younger though, but still...and therefore Adam should have used his older experience and convinced her not to...now males are cursed to be more likely to listen to the what the female tells him despite his own judgement...(I say more likely as in more than half the time on average across mf relationships, which from what I have been informed of is generally so)



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22 Feb 2005, 7:52 pm

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"I Am the Light of the World. Whoever walks with me shall not walk in darkness, but have the Light of Life." John 8:12


Cool. You realize that this is also a quote from The Shawshank Redemption, right?



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25 Feb 2005, 9:23 am

JayShaw wrote:
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"I Am the Light of the World. Whoever walks with me shall not walk in darkness, but have the Light of Life." John 8:12


Cool. You realize that this is also a quote from The Shawshank Redemption, right?

True it is from Shawshank (great movie) but before shawshank it was a quote from John


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