Are you psychic?

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I got it correct before it's your ego in the box...

I noticed you ran away from my thread re: Alien messages when I asked you to read the journal publication by the NSA. Don't like stuff that conflicts with your comfortable view of the world.

Here's another - the US army is doing research into telepathy
http://discovermagazine.com/2011/apr/15 ... -telepaths

Maybe you can ask a US Marine what's in your box...ROFL....

I doubt strongly that the popular notions of psychic phenomena is based in reality, but your "What's in the Box?" challenge is a straw man. Your claim seems to be that because a narrowly controlled experiment of a particular psychic ability has not been demonstrated that all psychic phenomena are false. This is just bad science. All that we can reasonably conclude is that the psychic capacity for determining the contents of arbitrary boxes is most likely non-existent.

Just to stir the pot,

If psychic abilities are real and somehow based in quantum mechanics, then it would be consistent to include the observers' influences in any psychic phenomena. Further, if one of the observers is a skeptic, then their skepticism, as part of the observation, would effect the outcome of the experiment. In other words, belief may actually matter. A believer may actually be able to observe phenomena that a non-believer cannot. Unfortunately, this creates an unresolvable dilemma. The observations of the skeptic and the believer induce different results that cannot be shared because the act of sharing is in itself observing the system. This would seem to indicate that the skeptic's observations are "stronger" because when a skeptic and a believer are both part of the observation the observed states are most often consistent with the skeptic's definitions of reality.

I knew you were going to ask that question.

This is where skeptics fail the test of provability. In any real science experiment you leave your preconceived notions at the door. You gather data only in a double blind experiment. If the data matches the theory you may have something. But skeptics take their preconceived notions to the experiment and it's even remotely possible may subconsciously influence the data.

is it ?!?!. i thought it was a genuine puzzle question that he was posing. i have thought somewhat about the question, and i am annoyed that it may simply be just a vehicle to represent the fallacy of psychic ability.

he even said this:


when he said that, i very much suspected that his question had a solution, so i thought about what sort of box would require several dozen people to pack, and i immediately thought about shipping containers full of illegal immigrants on their way to the ship's destination. shipping containers can be 12m x 3m so could contain 6x3 people lying down on 2 levels if a second floor is welded into the container. that makes 36 people. that is 3 dozen, and i do not know exactly how many "several" is, but i know it is more than "a couple".

so is it a genuine puzzle? or is it insoluble, and simply a vehicle for representing the "psychic" inadequacy of those that can not "intuit" what is in the box with no clues.

well does fnord know what is in the box he refers to? if he does, then it is not an empty question because it has an answer. if he does not, then he can not tell me i am wrong when i say what is in the box.

a laterally divergent but nevertheless correct answer to the question of "what is in the box" is "the contents of the box".

i am not interested in the principal point of this thread. i only joined in because i wanted to solve what was in "the box".

I still like my reply "Air". No one has disputed it, but thus far Fnord has not acknowledge either false or true. Unless It's a complete vacuum my answer has to be at least partially correct. Oh, he wants specifics...

Without being able to visualize this box, and it's location I wouldn't be able to take a gander. Being a non specific question, "The box" can refer to any box, so any answer can be the correct answer. Your question has to be more specific, like what's on the menu at McDonalds. There needs to be some kind of energy link to the object you refer. I can't read your mind to find out what box you're referring to, and I never claim to be able to. But go on asking stupid questions, your world will be filled with stupid answers.

Once upon a time. There was a scientist who understood intuition. He even came up with his breakthrough after waking up oneday out of what seemed to be nowhere. His name was Albert Einstein. Why can't we have more scientists now that understand intuitive thinking?

"space" is better to think than "air". there is certainly "space" inside the box.

I don't dispute air although there are other logical options (like vacuum) such as a non-air gas or a liquid, both of which would have displaced the air out of the box. But in any case you are using logic to deduce the answer which is precisely what is not allowed in this puzzle. Rather than using logic to deduce the most l;ikely possibility, you are supposed to read Fnord's mind psychically and just know. Which you can't do. Which is his point.

We have many, many scientists now who understand intuitive thinking. However, psychic abilities are not the same as intuitive thinking. Intuitive thinking is using the subconscious parts of the brain to find answers (as many scientists have done, not limited to Einstein). Psychic powers (claim to) use unverifiable energies outside the brain to find answers. That's not inuition. Although I really think (especially after reading this thread) that a lot of what people think is psychic is actually intuition. The unconscious mind deserves more credit.

i know a man who is very "spiritual", and people seem to admire him and respect him, and he says that i am the most "spiritually" blind person he has ever met. other people who know me agree with him. my doctors also believe i am stuck in a basal world. i do not care because i feel very comfortable.

i cannot stand ground with the rest of you (on wp), and what you all say goes over my head mainly. i can not work out how to understand what you say.

but i know i know things that (i think) no one else knows, and mostly i do not want to share what i find, but sometimes i do.

i am off to sleep now (ish)

Wrong. If you are not going to take this seriously, then your answers aren't worthy of attention.

I did not run away, I just got bored with the same old lame excuses that everyone else gives as to why (1) what they say is real, even though (2) they offer no evidence to support their claims - and by evidence, I mean an actual demonstration of their "powers", which is why I keep asking "What's in the Box?"

That's not telepathy, that's ordinary radio, modulated by a trigger that recognizes various patterns for "Halt", "Freeze", "Pass me the C4", and "Empty the clip".

Maybe you could check in with reality.

I have a very strong intuition that do also co-exist with instances that would be classified as "psychic". With how many times it's happened to me, I could no longer just ignore it or classify it as a coincidence. Now I embrace and listen. I often thought of this as my intuition telling me something. In the case of Einstein, that is not psychic, correct. There is this trend of "rational" only.

What I have noticed is when people cite "rationality" as their source in a debate or argument if those people were found wrong later on, never is their rationality questioned nor do they ever admit it.

Nor should their rationality be questioned. Rationality is merely a tool to examine evidence. A too-small data set analyzed rationaly will nevertheless give a wrong answer. It is perfectly rational to think that the earth is flat and the sun rotates around it like a ball around a disc if your only data set is personal observation of the days passing and how flat the earth looks even from the nearby hill (assuming you have never gone past this nearby hill). Continuing to think that after the data set has expanded to encompass our current knowledge of the solar system is irrational. This is why rational people always ask for evidence...to expand the data set. If you want people to believe something but are unable to expand the data set in a way that proves this new belief, it is rational to not believe you.

The wrong results sometimes rationaly arrived at is not an argument for embracing irrationality. It's an argument for expanding data sets. Rational people will embrace psychic phenomena if the data set can be expanded to prove it. But the proof that has been offered thus far isn't verifiable and is easily explained in other ways. Confirmation Bias explains the anecdotal evidence. I am also pretty quick to assume data fudging when experiments "prove" psychic phenomena (I will allow that sometimes this data fudging is subconscious). That's why repeatability by many different experimenters is required before current theories are changed. A good thing too, if you look at Wakefield's "vaccines cause autism" debacle. He had experimental "proof" that seemed even more solid than what is being offered here. But it was fudged. That's why rational people are so slow to adopt new theories.

LOL

But seriously... I've never had any experiences. Until I do I won't believe in psychic phenomena.

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O'K, I have been accused of being psychic at different jobs by saying something was going to happen and then it happened. I do it by making logical guesses and with astute observations not to mention blind guessing and getting lucky. If a machine makes a rattling noise a half an hour before crashing I take note of it. Then a few days down the line I hear the noise so I tell the operator to shut down the machine that it is getting ready to crash. He of course refuses because he has a quota to meet. So I go to tell the boss the machine is getting ready to crash. While I am warning the boss the machine crashes right after I left the shop floor. Everyone is running around saying the Dope told you so and you blew him off. The boss goes running out there only to see everyone standing around with dumb looks on their faces and I am looking like some kind of psychic.

When I worked at the resteraunt I watched a take out girl get into a heated arguement with her boyfriend in the parking lot before her shift he drove off with her chasing behind his car while screaming and crying. I thought wow what emotion I bet she is pregnate and he just dumped her. She was standing by the time clock talking to some waitresses so I asked her if she was all right and she snapped at me " You wouldn't understand, your a f@cking ret*d!" So I replied "I understand enough to know your pregnate and your boyfriend dumped you because he does not think it is his." Then I calmly said "F@cking slut." then I walked away. The waitresses accused me of being psychic because crazy people have psychic ability.

Another time at the resteraunt a chain smoker who was not too bright and very careless lost his cigarette lighter so I saw him light his cigarette in the lit rotissery charcoal oven so I thought he was going to set his paper hat we all had to wear on fire. I told two of my co-workers the smoker was going to set his hat on fire before lunch today so we watched him all morning until he set his hat on fire and walked away. No one told him his hat on fire they were to busy doing the theme music from the twilight zone. They told me if we were back in colonial America they would burn me for being a witch.

I also guessed the outcome on three dice rolls to prove my psychic ability all three were blind guesses and I got lucky and freaked some dumb ass NT's out. They were like "You ought to be working for the CIA or FBI or some think tank. People do it all the time but the ones who are good at it want to be something special so they think or say they are psychic but they are just a very logical thinker or very observant. I knew the ten sided dice I had rolled mostly 4,6, or 8 so it would be one of those three numbers so I just had to guess the from those three and find the right dummies to do it in front of that I knew would be running around telling everyone that I am some kind of psychic mutant.

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