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EmmaUK12
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27 Jul 2011, 11:49 am

You can be a psychopath & not be a mass murderer. :?



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27 Jul 2011, 1:40 pm

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He's not university educated


According to the Economist he had a Finance degree

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I'd be cautious of his millionaire claims. Norwegian Kroners are worth ~20% of a US $. He was running short on cash and apparently in debt after spending much less on his manifesto. At his peak he claims to have made 4 million NOK through his dodgy sounding "e-commerce" company (which went belly up). So in US dollars, he never had even a single million and we don't even know if that's true.


The Economist (a rather reputable source I might add) claims he was a self made millionaire by the age of 24.



That would be strange because he's all about bragging and self-promotion yet doesn't claim a degree in his manifesto. Either he's lying here or they've confused some of his online bragging with reality. He also exactly details his finances and never suggests he was a millionaire in anything but NOK. He then details how he lost it through bankruptcy and stock speculation. Assuming any of it is true.


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Q: Can you describe your education and CV?

A: I was considering pasting in by complete and updated CV. However, I don’t want to make my past network public and I don’t think it would be that relevant.


6 years Primary School
3 years Secondary School
2,5 years High School (last 6 months underwent complete curriculum)


An informal education, consisting of the the equivalent of eight university years (or equivalent to two bacheolor degrees and one master degree), consisting of the following:

Approximately 16 320 hours of study (One year at the University = 2040 hours of study per year - 8 hours per day, 5 days per week, 51 weeks per year.) on various fields:

Approximately 8000 of these hours where dedicated to the study of fields relating to Small Business Management, Business, Marketing/Sales, Economical/financial Analysis (including stock/commodity/currency analysis), Business Logistics”. The rest was dedicated to Political Science, World History, and Language: English/Norwegian and various other subjects (everything from cryptography to biochemistry).

Not included: daily reading/reviewing/watching:

News papers, Scientific/Cultural/Economical - magazines/papers/articles:
Aprox 10 000 hours +

Not included: 12 years work experience, Project Management, practical work experience, project analysis, stock/commodity analysis/trading.
Aprox 10 000 hours +




As far a problem with women, yeah, he's anti-feminism and pro-patriarchy. At one point he calls both his mother and sister "sluts" and details their sexual histories. He also includes, out of nowhere, a photo of both women at the end of the manifesto. It struck me as an effort to embarrass them. Something is going on there.

In general he wants to reboot European society as an extremely culturally conservative society.



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27 Jul 2011, 2:01 pm

i've been thinking about autism and being "morality positive".

morality positive means we don't tend to be the ones who will break the law, kill people, etc.

so let me ask a general question:

if you had the opportunity to kill the leader of north korea and free the country, would you do it? lets assume its a simple situation, you kill the leader, you get away without problems and the country is freed and is no longer a nuclear threat.

i bet the answer is yes. it is for me.

so if this is the case, morality positive depends on what you're socialized by. and if you're pretty disconnected from society your version of morality positive can become almost anything. because you don't have close relationships with people who keep your morality pointing in the right direction.

and thats how you end up with a guy who can commit a mass murder in norway. from all appearances he very much views that he's done the right thing, and in his mind is "morality positive"



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27 Jul 2011, 2:13 pm

from the manifesto of the norwegian guy

STDs ruin people’s lives

Under normal circumstances I would never reveal intimate details about my friends and my family’s personal lives due to societal taboos and shame, confidentiality issues and loyalty. However, how are we supposed to have a chance at changing our societies when we refuse to reveal the negative impacts surrounding the disintegrating moral? I will make an exception here and share knowledge about a fraction of my closest network. I have limited information and it is likely that a larger portion of my network have suffered significant negative issues as a result of “destructive conduct”.

Although I have had a change of mentality a majority of my friends have not. My stepfather Tore, one of my best friends Marius and my more distant friends Kristoffer, Sturla and Ronny are all living manifestations of the complete breakdown of sexual moral. All five have had more than 300 sexual partners (two of them more than 700) and I know for a fact that three of them have one or more STDs (probably all of them). I have several other promiscuous (slut) friends and I could list at least 30 male and females in my social environment if I wanted to. I don’t blame them personally and it has absolutely nothing to do with envy. I could easily have chosen the same path if I wanted to, due to my looks, status, resourcefulness and charm. It’s just terribly sad that my country have been the victim of severe Marxist infiltration leading to the political doctrines which have been allowed to destroy all moral and norms, resulting in the complete breakdown of our once great ethical standards.

My half sister, Elisabeth was infected by chlamydia after having more than 40 sexual partners (more than 15 Chippendales’ strippers who are known to be bearers of various diseases). Her chlamydia went untreated and she became one of several million US/European women who were suffering from PID, Pelvic inflammatory disease caused by untreated gonorrhea and chlamydia which leads to infertility. As she lives in the US, costs relating to this were not covered by the state. She and her husband spent 40 000-50 000 USD on two IVF treatments (in vitriol fertilisation) a process by which egg cells are fertilised by sperm outside the womb. She was lucky compared to many as these treatments may cost upwards of 100 000 USD. Furthermore, as far as I know, due to her condition as a result of the untreated disease, she needed a caesarean section for both childbirths. The last c-section almost killed her due to complications and she needed blood transfusion of more than 5 litres of blood in total. It is unknown if her two children suffered from pneumonia and conjunctivitis and other problems in infants born with chlamydia transmitted from my sister during childbirth.

My mother was infected by genital herpes by her boyfriend (my stepfather), Tore, when she was 48. Tore, who was a captain in the Norwegian Army, had more than 500 sexual partners and my mother knew this but suffered from lack of good judgement and moral due to several factors (media – glorification of certain stereotypes being one). Unfortunately for her, her poor judgment resulted in her being afflicted by genital herpes. In addition to this, the herpes infection went to her brain and caused meningitis (this condition is usually rare and occurs in less than 1% of herpes infected individuals). As a result of this brain infection, which prevented the spinal fluid from flowing freely, she had to operate a shunt into her brain as the herpes attacks occurred regularly. She was forced into early retirement as a result and her life quality has been significantly reduces since, and she now has the intellectual capacity of a 10 year old. Her STD has not only cause her much hardships, but it has also cost her and the state up to 1 million Euro.

Both my sister and my mother have not only shamed me but they have shamed themselves and our family. A family that was broken in the first place due to secondary effects of the feministic/sexual revolution. I can only imagine how many people are suffering from STDs as a result of the current lack of sexual moral.

This mentality is clearly not sustainable and if we are to have any desire to salvage our civilisation we must ensure that we implement political doctrines to prevent AND reverse the current development.



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27 Jul 2011, 3:23 pm

I don't get how any of the stuff about STD's is relevant. Why are you posting that?



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27 Jul 2011, 3:36 pm

So...where do you get the manifesto then?



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27 Jul 2011, 4:32 pm

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So...where do you get the manifesto then?


Can someone please provide a link?



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27 Jul 2011, 4:37 pm

http://www.filesavr.com/L8BJVGCEFE0UYQJ

If the link is down, search for "2083 A European Declaration of Independence".



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27 Jul 2011, 5:21 pm

simon_says wrote:
http://www.filesavr.com/L8BJVGCEFE0UYQJ

If the link is down, search for "2083 A European Declaration of Independence".


Link is good, got it thanks



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27 Jul 2011, 9:09 pm

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I don't get how any of the stuff about STD's is relevant. Why are you posting that?


because it shows a dramatic lack of empathy with his family, particularly the females



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27 Jul 2011, 9:35 pm

guywithAS wrote:
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I don't get how any of the stuff about STD's is relevant. Why are you posting that?


because it shows a dramatic lack of empathy with his family, particularly the females

Maybe it shows too much empathy? Breivik explains how their behavior has led to health problems that he wishes they didn't have. Why would someone who doesn't care go into such detail about it and not just his family, his friends as well? Reading that, I was left with the impression he is overconcerned with it, since it isn't his life, it's theirs. If he had no empathy their promiscuity would mean nothing to him. It would not bother him in the least.



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27 Jul 2011, 10:29 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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I don't get how any of the stuff about STD's is relevant. Why are you posting that?


because it shows a dramatic lack of empathy with his family, particularly the females

Maybe it shows too much empathy? Breivik explains how their behavior has led to health problems that he wishes they didn't have. Why would someone who doesn't care go into such detail about it and not just his family, his friends as well? Reading that, I was left with the impression he is overconcerned with it, since it isn't his life, it's theirs. If he had no empathy their promiscuity would mean nothing to him. It would not bother him in the least.


try asking a female you know how she would feel if she was written about in that way in the document.

i think you'll find they possibly could not consider anything worse



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27 Jul 2011, 10:51 pm

But thats just highly inappropriate and delusional.

Much of what he says is BS and lies.

I would not believe everything he says or has written, but rely of objective outsiders and facts



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27 Jul 2011, 11:31 pm

[quote="guywithAS"]

try asking a female you know how she would feel if she was written about in that way in the document.

i think you'll find they possibly could not consider anything worse[/quote]

That's what I meant by over concern. He's to fixated on their lives.
First of all, I don't know anyone who meets that criteria. If I did, I would be shocked at their behavior. I'm not sure I would tell anyone or not. It would depend on if it impacted me in some way and I was worried. I wouldn't put it in a manifesto because manifestos aren't my style.
If what he writes is true, it is an alarming situation for his family members and friends to be in.

If it's a lie, it supports the idea that he's sociopathic since sociopaths are known for their ability to tell intricate lies.



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28 Jul 2011, 3:12 am

guywithAS wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
guywithAS wrote:
nemorosa wrote:
I don't get how any of the stuff about STD's is relevant. Why are you posting that?


because it shows a dramatic lack of empathy with his family, particularly the females

Maybe it shows too much empathy? Breivik explains how their behavior has led to health problems that he wishes they didn't have. Why would someone who doesn't care go into such detail about it and not just his family, his friends as well? Reading that, I was left with the impression he is overconcerned with it, since it isn't his life, it's theirs. If he had no empathy their promiscuity would mean nothing to him. It would not bother him in the least.


try asking a female you know how she would feel if she was written about in that way in the document.

i think you'll find they possibly could not consider anything worse


Then why are you repeating it here? I'm sure they love your concern for their feelings. I felt kind of dirty after reading it.

But to the point, I raised the question since we don't need any proof he lacks any feeling for his fellow man; he's an insane mass murderer.



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28 Jul 2011, 7:15 am

whether this guy has aspergers or not means nothing.

He is an evil, sick, twisted mass murderer.