Apergian females are normal?

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Ria1989
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31 Oct 2011, 10:05 am

"AS men appear to establish at an early stage who they are and then stick to this quite rigidly. AS women, on the other hand, try out and experiment with different personas. Their drive and stamina in this are quite amazing, but it can also be quite exhausting for them." --Maxine Aston

I agree that it's likely lower functioning Aspies that use this site, but I don't think we can generalize that to everyone. When I took an aspie quiz, I scored about 143 the first time. I took it a second time a year later and got in the lower 130s. I think we have to realize that some aspie females fair better due to other variables (family, economic resources, intelligence, etc.) that don't correlate with their Aspie traits.

Not to mention, aspie females are under-diagnosed. This also poses a problem due to many aspies out there not knowing why they are different. The only reason I found out why I was the target of bullying was because of an abusive boyfriend and the psychology books I read.

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31 Oct 2011, 11:25 am

swbluto wrote:

ValentineWiggin wrote:

There are "no objective tests that differentiate aspergian females from neurotypical females" not because aspergian females are "normal", but because the very DIAGNOSTIC CRITERIA and much of the current literature were developed studying only boys.

That seems very likely. I wonder, then, what tests could be developed for girls? It's already been shown that most modern aspergian females are more similar to their female NT counterparts than aspergian males to their NT counterparts (Considering the difference in social outcomes, i.e., most aspergian females find accepting peers while most guys find rejection), so it seems like it'd be intrinsically harder to find a difference because there's less difference to begin with.

you're making things up again. :lol:

i totally get what you are doing here. i recall on another thread you thought that no other aspie is like you, and i said i've seen LOTS of aspies on WP who are quite a lot like you. this thread is an example of this progression:

Stage 1: denial of own dx / trolling other aspies
Stage 2: acceptance of own dx / exclusion of other aspies
Stage 3: become a supportive WP member OR leave OR get banned for pushing the boundaries too far

in my opinion, you're at Stage 2 now, where you have finally come to terms with your own aspieness. since you accept that... but also see that some other aspies are not like you, the only way you can deal with the cognitive dissonance is to exclude them.

you're following a predictable path, and i don't really take posts like yours too seriously at this point. what will matter on WP is the direction you choose to take in future.

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31 Oct 2011, 11:39 am

swbluto wrote:

ValentineWiggin wrote:

swbluto wrote:

When the average aspergian female graduates from highschool or college, she possesses the skills necessary to succeed within whatever social context, and then no longer forced being around her peers in a classroom, whatever social deficits remaining no longer really have any relevance.

What data are you referencing?

The data known as common sense.

And by "common sense", you mean swbluto's opinion?

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31 Oct 2011, 11:43 am

swbluto wrote:

Looking at the research, there's little to no objective tests that differentiate aspergian females from neurotypical females

swbluto wrote:

It's already been shown that most modern aspergian females are more similar to their female NT counterparts than aspergian males to their NT counterparts

swbluto wrote:

many aspergian females on here seem to be conversationally and "socially" normal.

swbluto wrote:

Self-pwnage:

A real phenomenon.

It would appear we've gone from
making generalizations of functionality based on subjective perceptions of a forum-based demographic
to making up realities about all female spectrumites based on nothing at all,
to making generalizations, once again, about a lack of functionality of said forum-based demographic based on said made-up realities.

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31 Oct 2011, 12:09 pm

Men are from Mars, women are from Venus.

That includes Aspergian men and women, so I guess the rest of all those zombies are from farther out.

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31 Oct 2011, 12:57 pm

swbluto wrote:

I finally figured out why there's such a large source of disagreement between what the articles suggest the typical outcome of an average aspergian female is and the females posting to this thread: the average aspergian female is well adjusted and is much less likely to be posting to a support site, whereas the worse-than-average aspergian female is far more likely to seek support from a dedicated aspergers site. This is not to say that a given female here is worse than the average "real life aspergian female", but the average female here is. So using anecdotal evidence from posters here might be a bit misleading and could be giving a false impression of the reality of the 'average aspergian female'.

Or your theory on aspergians females is just wrong.

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31 Oct 2011, 1:02 pm

Joe90 wrote:

Ohh, I suppose every female here is offended because they were called ''normal''. Being called ''normal'' is the biggest compliment anyone could give me. It makes me feel happier in myself, even if it doesn't for others. I don't put words into other people's mouths, but I speak for myself when I say being called ''normal'' makes me feel a little more confident in myself.

He is not bestowing upon us a compliment as individuals. He is promoting an underlying thesis that males with AS have it harder than females with AS, based on what can't even be called logical fallacies. They're just fallacies.

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31 Oct 2011, 1:02 pm

Fox Mulder ~ "How do you define normal?"

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31 Oct 2011, 1:10 pm

carpe_noctem wrote:

Fox Mulder ~ "How do you define normal?"

nor·mal [nawr-muhl]
noun
-the average or mean: Production may fall below normal.

-the standard or type.

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31 Oct 2011, 5:47 pm

Chronos wrote:

Joe90 wrote:

Sorry, just that threads like these seem to cause bickering because 98 percent of Aspies love being different and won't accept any normalcy about them, whilst about 2 percent try to compare themselves with the general population and can identify a lot of similarities and refer themselves as just as human as the next person.

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31 Oct 2011, 7:17 pm

Ria1989 wrote:

Yeah, this discussion is very bias and unsupported. Sone mentioned above that women fair worse when finding someone to marry. I've read that almost all aspie women find a man on the autism spectrum to marry- if they do marry-and aspie men do not discriminate against normalcy when finding a mate. Aspergers in love- Aston

At this point, I've determined that I most likely wouldn't be able to stand an aspie man.

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31 Oct 2011, 7:53 pm

Joe90 wrote:

No, it's because we were told our problems weren't real.

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31 Oct 2011, 7:58 pm

Joe90 wrote:

Chronos wrote:

Joe90 wrote:

Hmmmm....there I go again, not fitting into generalizations again...I know I'm different and there are some differences I do like, but I also identify with the general population in some ways too.

As far as men with AS having it harder than women, I think that's a load of BS. Women are *expected* to be more socially aware and "empathetic", so when we don't meet that stereotype we get just as much flak as men do when they're different. AS is hard no matter who you are.

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31 Oct 2011, 9:44 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

swbluto wrote:

ValentineWiggin wrote:

you're making things up again. :lol:

I completely agree, and this thread is getting a little out of hand
Ladies don't take this joker seriously he's not worth our text. It's up to him how he wants to think or feel you can't get through to everyone. I'm sure there are also great sympathizing Aspie men on WP that aren't properly being represented in this thread.

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31 Oct 2011, 9:47 pm

Ok, I agree, my original premise was wrong. But, let's still civilly explore the differences between the subpopulations, shall we?

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31 Oct 2011, 9:53 pm

I am narmal, nermal, nirmal, normal, and nurmal. Should I be nyrmal as well? Is "y" a vowel?

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