ASPERGERS IS a PROBLEM in this NT WORLD

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10 Nov 2011, 9:00 pm

So, maybe I'm late to the discussion, and maybe my opinion isn't worth much due to my limited experience, but I have something to input.

I'm 29 years old. I have not been professionally diagnosed, but I'm fairly certain I'm an Aspie. My life has not been easy. I have not had help dealing with it. It didn't help growing up in a house that didn't want me, Aspie or NT. almost everything I know, if i didn't learn it in school, I taught myself. I'm horrible in social situations because I never know what's appropriate to say. These difficulties made me stronger. I'm now married to a wonderful man who accepts me for who and what I am. We've been married for three years now, and he's completely accepting of Aspies. As he said to me "it's just another way to be."

Sure, Aspies have things difficult. Let the prejudice NTs look down on Aspies and Autism. It's like the saying goes, "what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger."



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10 Nov 2011, 9:53 pm

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It makes sense to abort problem children. It's a commonly held belief that these people will have a lower quality of life. They are also usually a significant drain on time and resources. Finally, most people look down on them, especially if they don't know any first hand. They are inferior and the condition is always viewed as a tragedy rather than a blessing. Normal children are preferable for obvious reasons. Whether it's right or wrong is subjective.


You first?

NT's are a burden too, they consume, buy cars, pollute, take aeroplane flights, have lots of children, think they are superior....


I cut out the bits that didn't really make sense. NT's are not a burden. Unless you've got something against children and aeroplane flights(???). Well, not generally.

I can't abort myself or change myself into a normal person. If my parents had the option to turn me into a normal child I wouldn't blame them and I wouldn't mind.

Simply saying 'you first' doesn't address the issues I raised. Nor does comparing them to aeroplane flights and pollution...



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10 Nov 2011, 9:56 pm

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Sure, Aspies have things difficult. Let the prejudice NTs look down on Aspies and Autism. It's like the saying goes, "what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger."


There are success stories out there but they often aren't the case.



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10 Nov 2011, 10:05 pm

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
Isaaccte wrote:
Sure, Aspies have things difficult. Let the prejudice NTs look down on Aspies and Autism. It's like the saying goes, "what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger."


There are success stories out there but they often aren't the case.


NTs have success stories but they also often aren't the case.



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10 Nov 2011, 10:06 pm

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Isaaccte wrote:
Sure, Aspies have things difficult. Let the prejudice NTs look down on Aspies and Autism. It's like the saying goes, "what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger."


There are success stories out there but they often aren't the case.


NTs have success stories but they also often aren't the case.


They aren't related to an impairment though are they?



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13 Nov 2011, 5:18 pm

Impossible to say whether NT or Aspie is better off, because nobody has been both so nobody can say.

From an Aspie's point of view, we lack social skills, so when we run into situations where our social skills let us down, and we lament that the lack of social skills are a critical problem that NTs have no issue with.

From an NT's point of view, he may go through the exact same situations: although this time, though he can navigate those situations where social skills are required with relative ease, he has trouble has the situations where Aspies have no problems with, e.g. fanatic attention to detail, ability to focus for long hours without stopping*. He may lament that Aspies have it better, though I know of no NT who has actually come out and said this - possibly because he doesn't even know that he's an NT.

*I cannot state with certainty that Aspies are in aggregate actually better at these characteristics than NTs. Anecdotally, however, I can safely say that if I want something scrutinized to every last little detail for error, I'll want an Aspie to do it.



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14 Nov 2011, 4:14 am

Well listen up!! and listen clear, not all aspies are what u call or see as the "head in clouds, helpless, not wanting help" dont group all aspies into the same basket!!
my friends and I have Jobs, drive cars, Heck I even have a child. Live alone, or if were still at home its cause were in an area where rent is too damn dear for a single person.
Were either single by choice or single cause we havent found the right people.
We dont make excuses we just do it!!
A lot of my friends and I are either full or Part Time uni students and have a full or part time Job.
Were all the same age.
Maybe we were just raised to "get over it and move on" Aspergers is a condition not im not disabled, I can walk and run, and drive. Im not in a wheel chair etc...
Though Aspergers is a disability it does not disable a person to the extent that THEY THEMSELVES are HELPLESS!! Its up to the INDUVIDUAL PERSON to CHOSE whether or not that they wanna go out there, Get a Job and have a LIFE or just sit on ones ass and receive wellfare payments for the rest of their damn lives!!
I dont wanna be one of those people!! I hate relying on other people.
So Stop your belly aching and saying that EVERY Aspie is the same. you're only looking at the LOW FUNCTIONING RANGE... and though I say that I AM LOW FUNCTIONING!! !
SO my point stands, even a low fucntioning Aspie has the choice to do what they WILL with THEIR LIFE!!

I hope this Aspie has aspired you in a different direction.....



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14 Nov 2011, 6:51 am

Yeah, because NTs never have any problems of their own or anything.

Panic: I'm starting to recognise your username in association with threads like this.



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14 Nov 2011, 4:56 pm

Sunshine7 wrote:
Impossible to say whether NT or Aspie is better off, because nobody has been both so nobody can say.

From an Aspie's point of view, we lack social skills, so when we run into situations where our social skills let us down, and we lament that the lack of social skills are a critical problem that NTs have no issue with.

From an NT's point of view, he may go through the exact same situations: although this time, though he can navigate those situations where social skills are required with relative ease, he has trouble has the situations where Aspies have no problems with, e.g. fanatic attention to detail, ability to focus for long hours without stopping*. He may lament that Aspies have it better, though I know of no NT who has actually come out and said this - possibly because he doesn't even know that he's an NT.

*I cannot state with certainty that Aspies are in aggregate actually better at these characteristics than NTs. Anecdotally, however, I can safely say that if I want something scrutinized to every last little detail for error, I'll want an Aspie to do it.


Yeah but this world is geared around social skills and confidence. That's where it is hard for non-intelligent Aspies like myself.


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14 Nov 2011, 5:23 pm

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Yeah, because NTs never have any problems of their own or anything.

Panic: I'm starting to recognise your username in association with threads like this.


I never recognized your name, you never contribute



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14 Nov 2011, 5:25 pm

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Well listen up!! and listen clear, not all aspies are what u call or see as the "head in clouds, helpless, not wanting help" dont group all aspies into the same basket!!
my friends and I have Jobs, drive cars, Heck I even have a child. Live alone, or if were still at home its cause were in an area where rent is too damn dear for a single person.
Were either single by choice or single cause we havent found the right people.
We dont make excuses we just do it!!
A lot of my friends and I are either full or Part Time uni students and have a full or part time Job.
Were all the same age.
Maybe we were just raised to "get over it and move on" Aspergers is a condition not im not disabled, I can walk and run, and drive. Im not in a wheel chair etc...
Though Aspergers is a disability it does not disable a person to the extent that THEY THEMSELVES are HELPLESS!! Its up to the INDUVIDUAL PERSON to CHOSE whether or not that they wanna go out there, Get a Job and have a LIFE or just sit on ones ass and receive wellfare payments for the rest of their damn lives!!
I dont wanna be one of those people!! I hate relying on other people.
So Stop your belly aching and saying that EVERY Aspie is the same. you're only looking at the LOW FUNCTIONING RANGE... and though I say that I AM LOW FUNCTIONING!! !
SO my point stands, even a low fucntioning Aspie has the choice to do what they WILL with THEIR LIFE!!

I hope this Aspie has aspired you in a different direction.....


I dont care if your low functioning so am I!

Ive done all the things youve done above accept get my own home, i do live alone tho, so ya...

the point of my main post is THat it is unfair how NT's get the mental capabilities to live and we dont get them. We have to struggle for things that are easy as 123 for NT's!...and for what??? For nothing!



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14 Nov 2011, 5:33 pm

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
swbluto wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
Isaaccte wrote:
Sure, Aspies have things difficult. Let the prejudice NTs look down on Aspies and Autism. It's like the saying goes, "what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger."


There are success stories out there but they often aren't the case.


NTs have success stories but they also often aren't the case.


They aren't related to an impairment though are they?


True, but being NT, as opposed to being Aspie, doesn't necessarily make everything better.



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14 Nov 2011, 6:30 pm

I kinda agree with the title. But being NT doesn't necessarily make things easier "overall".

They have their own issues, they have their own problems. SOME still have social difficulties despite being NT.

No one is born and guaranteed food, water, emotional support, children--anything.



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28 Feb 2012, 9:18 pm

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Why doesn't anyone seem to acknowledge this? Not aspies and not even NTs? There is barley any understanding and treatment of Autism other then forcing the a child to keep on doing things NT kids do, there is no adult medicine or treatment!

This is a nightmare!

Then im going to hear the whole aspie shenanagin responses

"its good to be different"

"aspies are smart too!"

and other useless cliches

To have a life you have to have a JOB that PAYS THE BILLS this = REALITY

Most NTs do this at a young age socialize get connections networks and GET JOBS and MONEY and can socialize and communicate with their fellow co-workers, as an aspie working in a :idea: NT workplace it can be VERY CONFUSING...VERY CONFUSING

Ive worked in Hotels, fast food and a few other jobs, if you dont fit in your INSTANTLY OUTCASTED,

EVOLUTION= REALITY

EVOLUTION= Socializing homo -sapiens

In the wild, if you are outcasted you have a much bigger chance of dieing, being eaten or killed.

Now its time to hear the opposing side of " im doing fine an I have AS, sure i dont have a job or stable relationships, but Im fine being consumed in my special interest"

I want there to be some sort of help for aspie people, not support groups, but actual treatment, that makes a real change, because it seems so far the only way to treat AS is to eliminate the gene, and There are many aspie people out there who only care about themselves and their desire to have a child, where this child is born into the world with AS and they have to now go through intolerable symptoms because their parents felt like reproducing.


and no God did not make you born with AS "for a reason." people are born with genetic defects,, no divine reason intended, just faulty genetics.




I really do not see your point in this post, other than to continuously berate people with autism/asperger's.

1st off, NOT ALL ASPIES ARE SOCIALLY AWKWARD, there are some aspies that do well socially, in fact one of the most popular students in my sis's school was an aspie.

2nd, there are COUNTLESS people with AS/ASD who work and manage to pay bills. I'm suprised you have tha audacity to point out AS and not pay any heed to the millions of lazy SOBS who mooch of the government and do not work.

3rd - IMPERFECTION = Evolution . Take the honeybee for instance, a perfect species that hasn't evolved in 20 million years.
Also yes people are outcasted - that's people in general, not just the autisttics

4th- There is NOTHING wrong with not being in a relationship, getting married or having children. All that stuff is a myth, it is not for everyone, and yes people can have a successdul and fulfilling life with or without those things.

I agree aspies need help to fit in better with the world. But to say they need to be cured or that there is something wrong with them is dehumanizing and mean, no aspies chooses to be born that way, but they have as much a right to life as you do,

and Last but not least, it's hideous that you would call an aspie parent selfish. Aspies, some of them do get married and have children and they have every right to do so. Having AS does not mean you can't be a good parent.
The people who only think about themselves are those who have unprotected sex for their own pleasure and then don't get an abotion or place it up for adoption. THOSE people are the reason for the full foster cares, orphanages and destitue children

I'm pretty embarrassed that you would come on with such nonsense on a site like this where we are supposed to be supporting each other, and make such a judgemental comment.

If you feel that way about yourself, I'm sorry to hear that, but don't come here and berate other aspies because of the way we were born. We don't wanna hear it!

Time to grow up dude, and get help for yourself

Best of luck man :D



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I smell a troll...


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28 Feb 2012, 10:37 pm

layla87 wrote:
Panic wrote:
Why doesn't anyone seem to acknowledge this? Not aspies and not even NTs? There is barley any understanding and treatment of Autism other then forcing the a child to keep on doing things NT kids do, there is no adult medicine or treatment!

This is a nightmare!

Then im going to hear the whole aspie shenanagin responses

"its good to be different"

"aspies are smart too!"

and other useless cliches

To have a life you have to have a JOB that PAYS THE BILLS this = REALITY

Most NTs do this at a young age socialize get connections networks and GET JOBS and MONEY and can socialize and communicate with their fellow co-workers, as an aspie working in a :idea: NT workplace it can be VERY CONFUSING...VERY CONFUSING

Ive worked in Hotels, fast food and a few other jobs, if you dont fit in your INSTANTLY OUTCASTED,

EVOLUTION= REALITY

EVOLUTION= Socializing homo -sapiens

In the wild, if you are outcasted you have a much bigger chance of dieing, being eaten or killed.

Now its time to hear the opposing side of " im doing fine an I have AS, sure i dont have a job or stable relationships, but Im fine being consumed in my special interest"

I want there to be some sort of help for aspie people, not support groups, but actual treatment, that makes a real change, because it seems so far the only way to treat AS is to eliminate the gene, and There are many aspie people out there who only care about themselves and their desire to have a child, where this child is born into the world with AS and they have to now go through intolerable symptoms because their parents felt like reproducing.


and no God did not make you born with AS "for a reason." people are born with genetic defects,, no divine reason intended, just faulty genetics.




I really do not see your point in this post, other than to continuously berate people with autism/asperger's.

1st off, NOT ALL ASPIES ARE SOCIALLY AWKWARD, there are some aspies that do well socially, in fact one of the most popular students in my sis's school was an aspie.

2nd, there are COUNTLESS people with AS/ASD who work and manage to pay bills. I'm suprised you have tha audacity to point out AS and not pay any heed to the millions of lazy SOBS who mooch of the government and do not work.

3rd - IMPERFECTION = Evolution . Take the honeybee for instance, a perfect species that hasn't evolved in 20 million years.
Also yes people are outcasted - that's people in general, not just the autisttics

4th- There is NOTHING wrong with not being in a relationship, getting married or having children. All that stuff is a myth, it is not for everyone, and yes people can have a successdul and fulfilling life with or without those things.

I agree aspies need help to fit in better with the world. But to say they need to be cured or that there is something wrong with them is dehumanizing and mean, no aspies chooses to be born that way, but they have as much a right to life as you do,

and Last but not least, it's hideous that you would call an aspie parent selfish. Aspies, some of them do get married and have children and they have every right to do so. Having AS does not mean you can't be a good parent.
The people who only think about themselves are those who have unprotected sex for their own pleasure and then don't get an abotion or place it up for adoption. THOSE people are the reason for the full foster cares, orphanages and destitue children

I'm pretty embarrassed that you would come on with such nonsense on a site like this where we are supposed to be supporting each other, and make such a judgemental comment.

If you feel that way about yourself, I'm sorry to hear that, but don't come here and berate other aspies because of the way we were born. We don't wanna hear it!

Time to grow up dude, and get help for yourself

Best of luck man :D

As you said, you really didn't see the point in that post did you?