High I.Q. = vegetarian?

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Not all vegans (you changed it from vegetarians to vegans I notice, a dig at me?) are at all self-righteous. Most I've met are not, only the very vocal ones tend to view themselves as better than others. I do not at all consider myself any better than a meat eater. I simply draw the line between sentience and none-sentience in my diet, I do not at all expect people to do the same (or even respect what I do, as can be clearly observed). I think you're perhaps being a tad judgemental?
Also, would it not take more plant matter to feed a cow than it would a human?

I have a high I.Q., and am not vegetarian. Mostly because I can't be bothered to change my diet every day for the rest of my life, and also because I spent my childhood holidays at my grandmothers farm, where chicken roamed free, and besides some corn in the morning ate just the worms and whatever chickens can find in an open field; and cows ate grass and were treated well, so... the mistreatment argument doesn't ring bells within me.

And I'd never ever become vegan. I love milk way too much for that.

I am paleo, on paleo meat is good grains are bad! Vegetarian food includes a lot of grains and is heavily processed. It;'s also full of trans fats..the actual type of over processed fat that causes heart disease.

Saturates cannot be proven to cause heart disease at all and the notion that it does was based on a faulty study.

Vegetarian food doesn't necessarily include a lot of grain, a lot of heavy processed food, or a lot of trans fats. You can eat well and avoid those things as a vegetarian, or as a non-vegetarian.

That reminds me of a flaw that most vegetarian studies have. Vegetarian people are more likely to have a healthy diet than non-vegetarians, as a conseqience of it having to be better planned, so comparing them to a population that includes hardcore hamburger-eaters would yield predictable results. Are there studies comparing vegetarians with healthy diets to meat-eaters with healthy diets?

Since humans are technically omnivores, kind of like bears, we can eat anything so it's alright to eat either plants or other animals. It's just the way we are. However, we are better off eating more plant material than animal fat and protein. It's healthier for us. Best to use meat sparingly while eating those big, leafy salads as a staple.

osama bin laden was vegetarian

I have found no sources clarifying this. And "if you're using that as an example to imply vegetarians have flawed morals to dismiss vegetarianism, that's just not a sound argument." =3

There is no vegan, everytime you take a step you kill a bug. The issue is in it's intent. To intentionally kill is disgusting behavior in the vegans view especially when there are other options. There's other issues too. To keep an animal in a captive situation. To disregard it's feelings, your pet has feelings, so did the cow you ate. They feed these animals whatever will give the most profit over expenses. They genetically alter the animals into monstrous versions of the sleek magnificent creatures they once were. We even have fiction to illuminate how we actually feel about these things. The witch "fattens up" Hansel before she goes about roasting on the fireplace rotisserie and it's horrifyingly sinister.

There's an even bigger point than all that though. Humans now have technology in which a single individual can destroy all life on the planet. It's time we should stop feeding off of each other, animals included. It's inherently clear that on any planet the prime species must become non-competitive, including vegan or it goes the way of the gooney bird.

This very drama is occurring all around us. While a segment of humanity is crawling over each other trying to "get theirs" there's other people learning to "just get along", eatting a plant based diet, taking walks, doing Yoga, going to Starbucks for dinner rather than otherwise. If you're a confirmed meat eatter, hey' it isn't as bad as it seems lol.

Lastly I'd like to say...Do you really need to hear the science? Isn't it obvious?

I need diet based on meat.

I've measured my metabolism and I'm using calories and proteins a bit above average - in primitive society I wouldn't have probably the most chance to survice but brain definetily needs more than other organs otherwise

I have lactose intolerance, so milk is no option for me and cheese only in limited amounts

Wrong. IQ is independent of diet. I have a high IQ according to conventional and Raven's tests. I eat meat.

Food for thought (no pun intended) humans developed the brains they have today from eating meat. Vegetarian animals eat insects (either on purpose or accidentally) to supplement their diet. If abstaining from meat is a question of ethics for you, I have two valid points that show the irrationality of being a vegetarian for ethical (or even spiritual purposes). The first is all other meat eating animals (yes, even dolphins) don't apologize or feel guilt over eating meat. The second is your maker/makers/forces designed you as you are - to crave meat (for the record, I'm not religious). Just my humble observations.

if you need a source here it is: http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaida-leader-r ... edium=feed

Hmm, not overly conclusive/reliable, but even if it does happen to be true, it doesn't detract from my point. (:

I feel compelled to make a few more points. Eating meat doesn't automatically mean you care less about ethics. In my particular case, I'm forced to think and make decisions about where the meat for my dinner comes from. I avoid factory farmed meat as much as possible. I obtain as much humanely raised meat as possible - as a matter of fact, all the chicken I buy now is only humanely treated and raised. I eat fish as well. It's much harder to determine how they were treated.

There are quite a few folk (me included) who can not live without meat. Physically, they would deteriorate and die. There is no substitute for meat, and it would be unethical to force us to have plant (some are allergic to soy, wheat, peanuts and other plants) or synthetic substitutes. It's one of those fine lines/balances that exists in nature. You will take life to have life, whether vegetarian or omnivore/carnivore.

I am another here that will verify that many animals, whether intentional or not get killed to clear the fields for crops. Many more are diverted from the crops and even killed to keep them away (there was an article I read recently about what goes on in Northern California regarding food safety and e. coli scares - not fun to read).

Humans definitely have a technological advantage. Can you compel anyone to act cooperatively and ethically and do the right thing because now they supposedly have more responsibility because of greater power? I will leave that one for you.

I agree that there needs to be balance and other beings must be treated with the utmost respect. Factory farming will go the way of the dinosaur. Smaller farms will be the norm. Will humans stop eating meat? No. It's a biological drive and necessity. Can humans learn to eat animal sources of protein that are lower on the food chain and supposedly more sustainable? Maybe. Bugs are a good option. Then there's another problem - remember the biological drive I was talking about? We were eating large ungulates for thousands of years. I know I desire red meat. I feel better when I regularly eat it, but I can not get it for various reasons I will not go into. Would I be healthier if I ate it more regularly? Yes. I will agree that everyone is made different, but most need animal protein. Even the vegetarians in India consume milk, ghee, and cheese. No one can live on zero animal protein without synthetic supplements. Synthetic supplements (B12) are not in line with nature.

I've been a vegetarian for six years now.

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