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20 Mar 2014, 11:30 pm

We need aspies in this world, and we need NTs just as much. If everyone thought the same way, we would all live boring, predictable lives and no one would ever accomplish anything new or spectacular. We would all be stuck in the stone age.



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21 Mar 2014, 2:33 am

Notions of superiority and inferiority are illusionary and are derived from allistic heirarchical social structures and the neccessity of pretending that one human is intrinisically better than another based on their social status to believe in and perpertuate the validity of such structures.
That's the reality.

Not being allistic, and finding heirarchical social structures relatively abhorrent for the most part, I refuse to make a determination that seems to clearly be to be arbitrary, subjective, and generally pejorative no matter what side one comes down on. :wink: :P

...because of that, I'm clearly better than others.... :wink: :lmao:



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21 Mar 2014, 8:53 pm

But it is the neurotypicals that are holding us back.



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21 Mar 2014, 9:23 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
But it is the neurotypicals that are holding us back.


In some ways yes....but I know things like my executive function issues can hold me back, not to mention sensory issues and that is due to having autism, can't blame that on 'the neurotypicals'.


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21 Mar 2014, 9:51 pm

Neurotypicals define and diagnose learning disabilities simply by the ability to memorize information without any regard for imagination and higher cognitive functions. For example a neurotypical math teach will grade a student on her ability to memorize mathematical formulas such as the area of a circle which is pi r squared or the volume of a sphere which is four thirds pi r cubed. What the neurotypical teacher fails to realize is that the autistic mind cannot memorize nor can it comprehend these formulas and rightfully so for these formulas are derived from the calculus and all higher mathematics and even the reality we live in is based on advanced calculus in four dimensions.

A neurotypical math teacher is not only ignorant of these incomprehensible higher mathematics but assumes the autistic mind can never comprehend without first learning the basics. But it forever becomes a catch 22 because the autistic mind will never understand mathematics without taking a more holistic comprehensive approach.

Thus the autistic mind such as Thomas Edison breaks away from the traditional education system because he was fired and considered dumb for asking too many questions and rather than going to the special education school that teaches him to be a failure he goes to the alternative school.



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21 Mar 2014, 10:01 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Neurotypicals define and diagnose learning disabilities simply by the ability to memorize information without any regard for imagination and higher cognitive functions. For example a neurotypical math teach will grade a student on her ability to memorize mathematical formulas such as the area of a circle which is pi r squared or the volume of a sphere which is four thirds pi r cubed. What the neurotypical teacher fails to realize is that the autistic mind cannot memorize nor can it comprehend these formulas and rightfully so for these formulas are derived from the calculus and all higher mathematics and even the reality we live in is based on advanced calculus in four dimensions.

A neurotypical math teacher is not only ignorant of these incomprehensible higher mathematics but assumes the autistic mind can never comprehend without first learning the basics. But it forever becomes a catch 22 because the autistic mind will never understand mathematics without taking a more holistic comprehensive approach.

Thus the autistic mind such as Thomas Edison breaks away from the traditional education system because he was fired and considered dumb for asking too many questions and rather than going to the special education school that teaches him to be a failure he goes to the alternative school.


As far as I know there is no proof Thomas Edison had autism, and I think there are many here who do fine with traditional math, I could be wrong but not so sure all autistic people struggle with that or that all of them would ever comprehend advanced calculus.


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21 Mar 2014, 10:13 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Neurotypicals define and diagnose learning disabilities simply by the ability to memorize information without any regard for imagination and higher cognitive functions. For example a neurotypical math teach will grade a student on her ability to memorize mathematical formulas such as the area of a circle which is pi r squared or the volume of a sphere which is four thirds pi r cubed. What the neurotypical teacher fails to realize is that the autistic mind cannot memorize nor can it comprehend these formulas and rightfully so for these formulas are derived from the calculus and all higher mathematics and even the reality we live in is based on advanced calculus in four dimensions.

A neurotypical math teacher is not only ignorant of these incomprehensible higher mathematics but assumes the autistic mind can never comprehend without first learning the basics. But it forever becomes a catch 22 because the autistic mind will never understand mathematics without taking a more holistic comprehensive approach.

Thus the autistic mind such as Thomas Edison breaks away from the traditional education system because he was fired and considered dumb for asking too many questions and rather than going to the special education school that teaches him to be a failure he goes to the alternative school.

There is nothing that make me think that Thomas Edison had autism.



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21 Mar 2014, 10:39 pm

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but they have strengths we don't.again,both sides have strenghts and weaknesses.


You mean they have adaptations that work well in a society that is specifically designed for those adaptions because they are more common than other adaptations are?

There are no such things as strengths and weaknesses in an absolute sense.

Nature creates variations within a species, what is a weakness in one environment can be a strength in another and vice versa.

NTs are merely more adapted to modern societal conditions as they are the ones who designed it.


Exactly. Great post.



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21 Mar 2014, 10:45 pm

When autistic children are put in special education schools the neurotypical teachers insist that these slow learning autistics could never comprehend the mathematics fourth dimension based on their inability to master basic mathematics. I have heard stories that people that take LSD can suddenly for the first time visualize the mathematics of the fourth dimension. While I do not advocate that approach nevertheless it proves that you do not need a PhD in mathematics nor do you need to be enrolled in gifted and talented education in order to understand higher mathematics.



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22 Mar 2014, 10:48 am

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When autistic children are put in special education schools the neurotypical teachers insist that these slow learning autistics could never comprehend the mathematics fourth dimension based on their inability to master basic mathematics. I have heard stories that people that take LSD can suddenly for the first time visualize the mathematics of the fourth dimension. While I do not advocate that approach nevertheless it proves that you do not need a PhD in mathematics nor do you need to be enrolled in gifted and talented education in order to understand higher mathematics.


So is your theory that all autistics would be great at mathmatics from the fourth dimension(whatever the hell that even means) if only they didn't have to learn basic math? I don't know to me it makes sense I can hardly comprehend simple math so it would be unlikely I'd understand higer level more complex math. Luckily the teachers at my schools didn't go to the opposite extreme and force me into higher level math classes since I have autism thinking I would magically get it without the basics and then hassle me for not doing well when I didn't understand it any better than basic math that would have made things even more difficult. Having it acknowledged I had a possible learning disability would have been somewhat helpful though...the neuropsychologist who diagnosed me as bieng on the spectrum is the one who said I had real difficulties in math.

But no one is stopping you from studying higher mathmatics....if you're a kid and you're at school well look it up on your own time and get into it. If you're an adult well during your free time you can do all the higher mathmatics you want. Or has there been a law passed by the evil neurotypicals that makes it illegal for autistics to study higher mathmatics on their own time?


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22 Mar 2014, 2:09 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
When autistic children are put in special education schools the neurotypical teachers insist that these slow learning autistics could never comprehend the mathematics fourth dimension based on their inability to master basic mathematics. I have heard stories that people that take LSD can suddenly for the first time visualize the mathematics of the fourth dimension. While I do not advocate that approach nevertheless it proves that you do not need a PhD in mathematics nor do you need to be enrolled in gifted and talented education in order to understand higher mathematics.


That is my impression as well. It is a fact that neurotypicals think that you always needs to master the basics before you can go to more advanced things. This is severely flawed when it comes to Aspies that have another learning method and that sometimes cannot learn the NT basics without understanding the background (like in maths).



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22 Mar 2014, 3:56 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
When autistic children are put in special education schools the neurotypical teachers insist that these slow learning autistics could never comprehend the mathematics fourth dimension based on their inability to master basic mathematics. I have heard stories that people that take LSD can suddenly for the first time visualize the mathematics of the fourth dimension. While I do not advocate that approach nevertheless it proves that you do not need a PhD in mathematics nor do you need to be enrolled in gifted and talented education in order to understand higher mathematics.


So is your theory that all autistics would be great at mathmatics from the fourth dimension(whatever the hell that even means) if only they didn't have to learn basic math? I don't know to me it makes sense I can hardly comprehend simple math so it would be unlikely I'd understand higer level more complex math. Luckily the teachers at my schools didn't go to the opposite extreme and force me into higher level math classes since I have autism thinking I would magically get it without the basics and then hassle me for not doing well when I didn't understand it any better than basic math that would have made things even more difficult. Having it acknowledged I had a possible learning disability would have been somewhat helpful though...the neuropsychologist who diagnosed me as bieng on the spectrum is the one who said I had real difficulties in math.

But no one is stopping you from studying higher mathmatics....if you're a kid and you're at school well look it up on your own time and get into it. If you're an adult well during your free time you can do all the higher mathmatics you want. Or has there been a law passed by the evil neurotypicals that makes it illegal for autistics to study higher mathmatics on their own time?


I think what is meant is that in modern mathematics education there is "hierarchy of mathematics" that assumes if you don't know the "lower topics" in the hierarchy, then you can't learn the "higher topics".

Dr. Grandin mentions this in most of her videos on youtube. She experienced it personally.

She could not comprehend algebra because of the abstract thinking it required, yet she is terrific at geometry. However, the teachers would not let her "go on" and learn geometry, because she could not understand algebra.



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22 Mar 2014, 8:35 pm

i guess my experience was different I never was good at any kind of mathmatics, so in my case I don't think I would have been able to get more complicated mathmatics...maybe some people can, I don't want to assume they cant but I can see how I personally would not be able to learn higher mathmatics.....I mean geomotry even confuses me, I was slightly better at it than other things, with algerbra the only reason I passed was because I was allowed to use notes that told me how to do the problem on tests but aside from that I probably would have failed looking back I am not even sure the teacher was supposed to allow the use of notes on tests.


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28 Mar 2014, 4:01 pm

THINK ABOUT THIS:

People find it arrogant if we, aspies, say that we are superior.
But most aspies don't care about neurotypicals who act s**t against us.

WAKE UP!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!

Yes, we aspies are superior, and this is based on true science. We have larger brains, we are better in engineering fields on average, we are more logically, we are more pedantic in writing (and have better spelling/grammar). The reason why the society is looking down on us happened in the last 50 years. And we should cure this ill treatments of neurotypicals. I end with Susan cain (the power of introverts):
We introverts (most aspies) are at the same level as women were 50 years ago.

Wake up.

Peace.



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28 Mar 2014, 4:08 pm

We autistic people were even called "mad child disease" ........