The Universe does not revolve around the autistic community

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Imo it is a lot more than learning the world does not revolve around them, as that is obvious, and I think most aspies already intellectually know this, so it might be more about feelings.


Generally speaking I would tend to agree, except from the perspective of competing for idea space in the way I explained in my previous message. the way the concept of ego does fit in terms of object relations theory. The key point is that to oneself the special interest represents oneself. Of course one knows the special interest is literally not oneself, as there is a subject-object relationship between oneself and the object of knowledge, which is ones own special interest at the moment that one is looking at it, but the identification is very powerful. One can be completely cemented to the special interest at the moment of identification because to oneself it means dear life.

I have explained the whole dynamic in this thread, so gold star for me, as object relations theory is generally very difficult to understand. There is all kinds of gibberish and different schools of interpretation around it by psychotherapists, many of them in an exclusive cult and I would say actually conspiring on some level to withhold this kind of theory from the general public and keep it exclusively in their own domain, oink oink, (plus quite a few of them are even psycho, imo), but this material should be presented in a simple way to the general public as an act of generosity..

Of course understanding this kind of theory may not be your cup of tea-- different strokes for different folks--but anyone who does try to understand it will be greatly rewarded because it offers a way out of hell...and a person does not have to give up his special interests ore himself. In fact this is the way to be ones true self and enjoy ones own special interests on an entirely different level.

you keep saying "they" and "them" and "you guys" when referencing aspies--are you lying when you say you are on the spectrum? because it doesn't sound like you have a very good grasp of what autism actually is or how it works.

This is a common theme on fora such as this, however. People talk about things in relation to themselves and the forum's overall topic. It's not people mistakenly thinking the world revolves around them, it's people discussing how the world relates to their issues.

Others here have put it better: if there is a presumed revolving, it is around the 'special interest', rather than the person/ego.

You know that situation where you're certain something is the case, and all the attributes you see in that thing are already there and not just your interpertation/misunderstanding/projection of said thing and its attributes, only it turns out the thing isn't the case after all, and you were mistaken, and the attributes you see are very much based on your interpretation and far from necessary for the thing to be the thing, nor anything like universal across all examples and instances of the thing?

That.



People whose psychology reflects that of the people who make the rules of a world do better in said world? Woah!



Probably not much more than anyone seeking to analyse and understand something beyond a surface appearance/reading.




This is all pretty presumptuous (the title especially). I think you'd have done better leaving this around your home as a 'note to self'.

How is that different from the Universe revolving around you?!? If you are going on about a special interest without regard to whether the other person is interested, isn't that a case of thinking about oneself?



No, it's not because people whose psycholocy reflects that of people who make the rules of the world. That someone is not on the spectrum does not mean their psychology reflects that of the people who make the rules of the world, even if they don't qualifiy for any other psychiatric diganosis. For example, the psychology of a techncally minded man, even if he is not on the spectrum is still different from someone with more ordinary interests. Yet they all do on average better in school, etc, then people who qualify for any psychratric diganosis. Furthermore, NT behaviour is generally tollerated in others by those who exhibit it, I've heard from a mentor that the same is often not the case with aspie behaviour. This has been discussed in greater detail in autism and unhappy families.

do you have any sort of legitimate point? or are you just satisfied to keep telling us how we're not "normal" and we'll never succeed in the "normal" world--because that's getting boring.

Sure, one can have AS and still succeed in the "normal" world. But I've heard that the normal world will not adapt to odd behaviour typical of those on the spectrum, so those who do succeed would have adjusted. Yes, one can have AS and still go through school normally, without aides, and even acheive social success without mentors. But aspies and especially auties are less likely to acheive such success.
Futhermore, if you want other people to take you seriously when you talk about your special interests, I sure hope you actually deal with reality, rather than simply spouting neat ideas you want to be true, this is not to say whether such ideas are true or not. There may be many aspies that already do this, and many that don't.

so that's a "no" then. *snore*

What has given you the idea that this is what people with autism actually do?

because he doesn't have it and he doesn't know what he's talking about. i suspect this is light entertainment for him, which in itself is pretty pathetic.

Okay: "So aspies shouldnt rattle on about their special interests when they notice others are bored".

Thats all the OP is saying.

And we all already knew that.

But he took that simple dumb obvious idea that everybody already knows- and phrased in such a klutzy inarticulate way that no one understood it.

So now that weve finnally figured out what he is saying lets just thank him for...telling us what we already know! And then move on.

This poor suffering thread needs a bullet to the head to put it out of its misery.

No, it's quite different. Yes you probably do already know that "aspies shouldnt rattle on about their special interests when they notice others are bored." But that is not the only skill you need to get on well with others. Not only should you not "rattle on about their special interests when they notice others are bored," but when you do go on about them, make sure you talk sense. I learnt this lesson myself on a railfan forum primarily from someone who works in the rail industry and deals with industry costings every workday.

I much prefer spouting neat ideas that are actually true because how awesome is that?

Like the largest structure observed in the universe is actually much larger than existing models predicting, which requires changing the models: http://news.discovery.com/space/galaxie ... 131119.htm

Or the possible existence of dark flow, which would suggest the existence of other universes:

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/20 ... dence.html

But there is considerable debate as to whether dark flow is actually real, and the latest thing I read indicated that it wasn't present.

How about the possibility of an HIV cure?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/06/health/hiv-baby-cured/

Plenty of amazing things that are true, or could potentially true, or are not true but the exploration as to whether it is true turns up all kinds of useful information whatever the outcome.

Also, technically speaking, the universe revolves around everything else and nothing else in the universe simultaneously because there is no preferred frame of reference.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~kevinhainline/relativity.html

I'm not sure how reliable the sources you mention are, as I'm not that familiar with them.