How I was able to cope with my Aspergers and find a wife.

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15 Jun 2014, 12:09 am

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I went into how I saw everything in all parts of her character, and I showed her why she was struggling in different parts of life.

Get help! You actually believe you have power over women. And that what women really want is a man who can see EVERYTHING in all parts of her character.


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15 Jun 2014, 12:19 am

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Theredcore. Assuming you are telling the truth, you should sue the therapist who diagnosed you with ASD, the more you talk the more obvious it becomes that you are very manipulative, and not autistic at all. You came here hoping to fool us into buying this product you are talking about, I don't believe you anymore.

You could tell half the people on earth (probably more than half actually) that they have been abused as a child and you would be correct (this is like what Callista described, something that is actually pretty general). Assuming that you are telling the truth about this girl at the bar, well I'm sorry that she was naive and has let you fool her into believing that you actually "understood" her, and then told you private things that were none of your business.

The way that you are putting people, especially women it seems, in boxes, is indeed very insulting. You base your opinions on stereotypes, which are just that: stupid stereotypes, while in fact people, men and women, are much more complicated than their appearance or observable actions. A person can have tattoos, smoke, and drink, and be a very good person, and another one who also has tattoos, smoke, and drink, can be a very bad person. A person who wears the best clothes possible, doesn't smoke, and doesn't drink can also be either a good person or a bad one. Same goes for a religious person or atheist (and everything else that you mentioned), it doesn't tell you anything at all about a person's deep thoughts nor true personality.

And WE (men and women) are indeed all unique.

You also should spend less time at the bar talking to girls, and more at home with your wife.


We all have our opinions. But I could never disagree with anything I've seen or heard and done myself. Why would I come to a website for people with aspergers writing long lengthy blunt opinionated essays, to sell a website membership to a website I don't work for? I even offered to let people use my account for free, what malicious goals could I possibly have? I only wanted to try to help other people who had communication issues.

As far as people being unique, alot of people fgo through similar experiences in their lives, and similar experiences can cause similar long term effects on how one thinks or behaves.

The part that is very unique is the combination of experiences and how the combination effects their personality

The last unique part is of course genetics, inherited traits mixed with a specific combination of life events.

A person's brain really is a puzzle.


I do have aspergers. I believe I make all of my decisions based on a moral high ground. It is moral to me to read and understand people if it means I can help them, and if it means we can get along better.



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15 Jun 2014, 1:45 am

tall-p wrote:
theredcore wrote:
I went into how I saw everything in all parts of her character, and I showed her why she was struggling in different parts of life.

Get help! You actually believe you have power over women. And that what women really want is a man who can see EVERYTHING in all parts of her character.



I mean I guess it could be used for power over people. I don't do that though, I just like to use the information to understand and help people.



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15 Jun 2014, 3:53 am

I had a friend like this who I believe may have been autistic, he was also a very screwed up individual and believed that he had power over people and regularly drew people in and manipulated them, only to wash over their entire person with strange judgements and then cast them aside, it was a bizarre thing to watch.

I met my girlfriend at a retail shop, I was buying something I don't remember what anymore, I asked her for her phone number because I couldn't get to mine at the time, I tried to call her later and it wasn't a valid number so I went back and asked her why she gave me the wrong number, she had horrible handwriting and wrote it down wrong, we hung out on her break and rambled like a dork near the end I gave her an awkward hug and then she called me up and we hung out a few more times, she was fascinating and she seemed to enjoy my company too, after less then a week we decided to become a couple and have been with each other for over 5 years now, we have a great love life, neither of us want kids, we both have interesting plans for the future and it all happened by random chance, I had just gotten out of a terrible relationship with a crazy person but she seemed very approachable so I took a chance I wasn't weird about it.

I am likely just lucky in this respect, maybe it's because I knew what kind of person I needed after being in several sh***y relationships beforehand I'll never know, but I always remember sitting down and thinking about what kind of person I really would enjoy the company of, what kind of person I would be able to attract realistically, and what kind of person would balance me out, things I had never given much thought before and this is shortly before I met her so maybe it helped, beats me.



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15 Jun 2014, 8:31 am

I really don't think a person needs any fancy techniques to get to know another person. It usually just takes genuine interest, and willingness to listen, and willingness to say straight out, "Hey, I'm socially clumsy, if I bother you please tell me," and then to listen to them when they tell you something bothers them. And if they're not interested, to back off and find someone you are more compatible with.


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15 Jun 2014, 11:48 pm

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I really don't think a person needs any fancy techniques to get to know another person. It usually just takes genuine interest, and willingness to listen, and willingness to say straight out, "Hey, I'm socially clumsy, if I bother you please tell me," and then to listen to them when they tell you something bothers them. And if they're not interested, to back off and find someone you are more compatible with.


That works well for many peopl, and i.I won't ever say it doesn't work.

What Ilike about your responces are you at least understand psychology, and understandiit's not all fake. Yes pop psychology is a temporary topic and I as I'm sure you also highly recommended psychology in general as well.

To answer your earlier question about why that website in particular is not about men also, it's only because we'll it was made for trying to date women lol, also there are some modern day differences with men and women. Like that whole sex topic that got everyone flared up, if a guy has sex with 20 girls in a week he is a stud, rather then if it was a girl she wold be socially considered a slut. I think it's wrong that the world works the way, but it still has created a difference in how men and women view sex in general.


If what works for you works for you and you are happy, don't change a thing unless you think itwill help. I wwasn't trying to say the entire world should use pop psychology, but for some people it can help.

I honestly don't know why people say I'm all about manipulation.

PRETEND that you can read minds. A girl asks you to get her ice cream without specifying a flavor, would it be wrong to read her mind to know what flavor she wants?

To me I would say no. If you want to say I'm manipulative for the purpose of helping others I guess I could agree with that, but still there's probably betterword choice then mmanipulate.



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16 Jun 2014, 6:45 am

Yes, I'd say it would be wrong--it's an invasion of privacy to read someone's mind like that!

Now, if she's wearing a T-shirt that says, "I Love Vanilla Ice-Cream", you could say, "Vanilla, right?" and expect to have her confirm that.

But the important thing is--don't poke into somebody's privacy; when they display something that other NTs could read from them (like the T-shirt, or like body language), you can use that--but always make sure that that's what they actually want. Maybe the girl who likes vanilla, wants strawberry today.


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16 Jun 2014, 8:52 am

I am studying psychology. I don't see in it support for the idea that the incredibly complex thoughts, emotions and behaviors of the people around me can be reduced to a few types or a small number of sets.

There are many complimentary and competing sorting schemes: Enneagram, Meyers-Briggs, Keirsey, Jungian archetypes, Freudian superego-ego-id interactions, 3 trait systems, 5 trait systems, religiously-derived systems and so on. None of them are particularly well supported by observation. All of them are at times useful to people in one way or another.

But the primary goal of understanding other people remains communication. People are not static systems. They are moody, changeable and irrational. Give the same stimulus in the same external conditions, they will seldom respond in the same way twice.

It seems to me that having impressions about people based on experience and education (including any such system you have put time into learning) is fine, as long as you continuously verify your impressions by close observation of reality. In many cases, you can ask questions to verify your reading of the situation, though it is almost always best to do this using open -ended questions and active listening techniques.

Just paying attention puts you in a different position than most people who are socially interacting--I remember asking someone about something she had just told me and she was shocked that I had actually been paying close enough attention to be aware of it.

If I had not adopted this general approach when I was in high school and kept using it and refining it all my life, I would not have developed a relationship with my wife and would not have been able to (slowly, haltingly) make my way into the working world. Reality is always more important than the system of classification or notation we use to describe it and this is at least as true for people as it is for physical systems.