Mobbing in the Workplace - a danger for us?
So- can we have more stories?
Not much to tell. I get mobbed all the time. Family (extended and relationship....I got the boot and am alone bar my wee daughter), work, in a crowd, you name it. My mannerisms and tone apparently gets some peoples goat. I frankly dont care...its not as if I can reason with these semi conscious cretins.
To give you an example. I am probably one of a very small minority in the world that can price read all markets every day but I keep that quiet. If I so much as tried to help one of these allistics, someone is bound to creep out of the woodwork and try to bully it out of me.
But yeah, all the experiences you speak of are basically what I went through and STILL go through.
Mobbing seems to engage/embrace this reptilian brain with it's inherent tribalistic component...
Which makes me wonder why there aren't more case studies on mobbing-- my experience is that 90% of humanity uses logical thinking about 10% of the time, whilst the other 10% uses it 90% of the time. There seems to be no middle ground.
It is always a pleasure "hearing" your point of view...
I think we should get a room...
Thankfully for me, the mobbing stopped around 10 years ago...
Still a little bit of rat-baggery but that is pretty much "normal" in a neurotypical universe and not a dedicated harassment campaign...
I enjoy my own company and just prefer to keep to myself these days...
An NT psychiatrist may read into that an unhealthy self imposed isolation policy, but it ain't...
How are you in that regard?
I imagine things are a little more complicated due to you having a daughter/child...
NTs...
Can't train them...
Can't smack them on the nose with a rolled up news paper...
Edit:
"You can't reason with an unreasonable person"...or cretin...
pepe
Apart from my girl, I am self imposed isolated at the moment. That however has more to do with my business...Im quite busy reducing it down to a netbook scale (27 asset classes on one screen) so as I can be portable and do more with my little girl and in addition travel.
The eye contact thing is never going to go away for me as I am wary of the allistics propensity to be irrational. I may try self hypnosis to improve my charm with the ladies...I simply love chatting them up and need something to parry the irrationalisms.
I am resigned to being on the wrong planet...now I will need to find a means to get the max out of it.
I may try self hypnosis to improve my charm with the ladies...I simply love chatting them up and need something to parry the irrationalisms.
Your charm isn't going to change the greater emotional orientation of women...
I just ended a "relationship" due to the emotional excesses that the female gender pretty much across the board possess...
Seriously, I can't take it anymore...
Good luck with the hypnosis...lol
I'm much older than you, and presumably have much less testosterone, so my situation is different...
Do you have any idea, other than your "personality" why you are still being mobbed?
Competitors perhaps?
Random abuse isn't my understanding of what mobbing is...
Usually it is a coordinated psychological attack...
For the moment I am not looking for anything serious...just a bit of distraction from the complexities of my work. My life is mostly taken up with my daughter so anyone who enters it in any significant way will have to be the sort of person who does not get between me and my little un.
I really havent a clue why I get mobbed other than my communication style which can be detached and of course, my lack of interest in trivia. Its weird but I put it down to the nature of the majority and their irrational tendencies. Im not taking the blame on this basically as I see no reason why a calm, polite and evenly keeled personality warrants this..
I really appreciate you sharing your story B19.
This sounds so eerily similar to the way my coworker described herself recently. I don't even know what to call what is happening in my job. It's not mobbing. I have experienced mobbing in other jobs. This is different. It just feels like psychological abuse.
My worst mobbing experience happened online, about 12 years ago. It was in relation to something kind of like whistleblowing. The people who instigated it were out to discredit my friend's research. I can't talk about it. I don't even like to think about it anymore.
Ever notice how these things are almost always related to suppression of truth? This is why we are targeted, simply because we are truthful.
The question for me now is, how do I deal with the long-term effects of going through these things? It really is like psychological murder.
I had always worked retail beforehand. In my final retail job, everything started out fine. I was a diligent worker who always kept my head down, didn't rock any boats, and actually got along with everyone. I was a person who was not a troublemaker. I smiled a lot. I laughed at everyone's jokes. I always made efforts to fit in albeit as the quieter one. I even made what I thought were friends -- the boss liked me, my immediate manager didn't and was a b***h, but her replacement liked me and even invited me to go shopping with her, friends-style.
I got along great with a guy I'll call Oswald (not his real name). He was kind of the main "great guy" whom everyone liked and got along with. We even had things in common in life and I thought I'd made a friend. I went out for drinks often after work with him and some others.
There was a girl in another department I'll call Dorie. She was best buddies with Oswald, they were particularly close and "had each others' back" kind of deal. Dorie wasn't an evil person but she was a loud, pushy b***h. She didn't mean any harm but she WAS obnoxious and swaggering. It rubbed me the wrong way but I just shut it all down inside as was my way back in those days. I pushed down A LOT of stuff back then. I don't f*****g do that now, I've suffered too much. People get both barrels with me now and damn the consequences, I've been through too much bullying.
Dorie took my "niceness," my smileyness, and my basically very MEEK personality to equate that I was also "not very bright." Stupid in fact. That used to happen to me a lot too, even though I actually have an IQ in the "high" category, was considered a gifted child, had precocious talents early on (although as I matured the talents only rose to "moderately good" among peers rather than "genius" anymore, hah.) I'm not stupid. But when I was younger I was TRYING SO f*****g HARD not to rock any boats or offend anyone that I just smiled all the time and responded in ways I thought would be socially appropriate, because when I was "myself" I was a clueless person with autism.
I am 53 now and only just got diagnosed coming up on one year ago this month. Back then all I knew was a lifetime of not being like "normal" people. So there I was being fed to the sharks in workplaces.
Which is what happened at this place. One day Dorie just pushed me one time too far with her explaining to me something work related and adding her usual condescending "Capiche? Capiche?" I got fed up and when Oswald aksed what was wrong -- and this is where I DID get "stupid" with my Aspie tendency to overlook connections and not realize it's the wrong time, place and person to say something to -- I told him of my grievances with Dorie.
BIG mistake. Not only did Oswald immediately and summarily turn against me for saying a word against his buddy, but he managed to poison the entire well of everyone I got along with at the place, including the boss who liked me.
Rapidly over the next few days, the place went from somewhere I had enough friendly people to tolerate the environment, to a place where every second person was giving me dirty looks and the cold shoulder. All because one or two well liked social kingpins got pissed off at me for daring to get upset at being treated like a piece of f*****g s**t, and confiding in someone I thought was my friend too. I trusted him and he launched a neutron bomb on me in that place.
Long story short, I wound up getting called into the office and being told to adjust MY attitude or leave. I got up and walked out and vowed never to be an employee in a conventional workplace with co-workers again. I had been a good, quiet, sweet, decent person and a f*****g hard worker, but the social well got toxic from one faux pas that even had a legitimate basis for complaint, and nobody saw it my way.
Also, like the woman in the article posted above, I feel I was scapegoated and singled out for being different in nationality.
Not only did I have spectrum-related weirdnesses I was trying to keep down but always sneak out, and I made spectrum related mistakes both work-related but especially socially-related, but in addition I too was the "odd one out" nationality wise, like the woman in the article.
It must have felt easy for them to distance themselves from me when push came to shove as I was "not one of them" anyway. They turned on me very much in a mob. I did nothing more than confide dismay over Dorie. I didn't have a meltdown. I didn't yell at anyone. I wasn't horrible. But they all turned against me and made my life hell there, and I hung on for a few weeks before it became unbearable.
I have avoided jobs like that since. I made up flyers with little phone number tabs to tear off, posted them all over town, and started cleaning houses, and I've done that for 23 years now. I only have to deal with clients and don't have to deal with co-worker small politics and social hierarchies and backstabbing. I can never and will never go back to a normal workplace environment again.
I think human being are scum, when I really get down to it.
I'm sick of the condescending, the sniping both overt and covert, the snide holier than thou attitudes when someone copes better than they see I do, I'm sick of all of it. I think people are sh!ts. Friends turn on friends instead of working out what's wrong, being compassionate, or seeing through to the pain. People ostracize. My family mobbed me too, scapegoated me. I have no faith left in humanity, even the "Nice" people turn out to be high-horse scum,always loving the opportunity to feel "better" than someone else, holier than thou, "WE'RE okay, but wow she's not!" See ya wouldn't wanna be ya. I don't see the point in cow towing anymore to people of that ilk.
You're correct in your assessment, but it's not really the individual people (individual intelligence), but it's a system intelligence, - the hive mind controlling them. It's hive mind logic camouflaged by our language and communication schemes.
The individuals who behave as bad people are the ones hosting the hive mind viruses.
Yes I have noticed.
In the NT world of perception, the truth or "real" reality is not wanted, needed, or even acceptable.
Why? It's far more efficient for the hive mind software to manipulate a conceptual reality than it is to manipulate the material (real) reality.
The real reality is an impediment to the self serving of their identities.
They don't or can't even entertain the idea of discarding their identities and rejecting their attachment to a conceptual reality, but if they ever did it would terrify them.
They would be like a Borg drone separated from the collective and cut off from the hive mind.
Mobbing seems to engage/embrace this reptilian brain with it's inherent tribalistic component...
Which makes me wonder why there aren't more case studies on mobbing-- my experience is that 90% of humanity uses logical thinking about 10% of the time, whilst the other 10% uses it 90% of the time. There seems to be no middle ground.
I would say something very similar, but in place of "logical thinking" I would differentiate between conscious and subconscious thought as representing the primary intelligence of each group.
Basically:
For 90% of humanity, their primary intelligence is controlled subconsciously. (system/identity)
For 10% of humanity, their primary intelligence is controlled by conscious thought. (individual/self)
Mobbing seems to engage/embrace this reptilian brain with it's inherent tribalistic component...
Which makes me wonder why there aren't more case studies on mobbing-- my experience is that 90% of humanity uses logical thinking about 10% of the time, whilst the other 10% uses it 90% of the time. There seems to be no middle ground.
I would say something very similar, but in place of "logical thinking" I would differentiate between conscious and subconscious thought as representing the primary intelligence of each group.
Basically:
For 90% of humanity, their primary intelligence is controlled subconsciously. (system/identity)
For 10% of humanity, their primary intelligence is controlled by conscious thought. (individual/self)
Interesting points, as always O. I would put those percentages at 95% and 5% of humanity. I would label them the socially controlled and the free thinkers. Could possibly come up with better labels though I am very tired this evening, almost running on empty.
This sounds so eerily similar to the way my coworker described herself recently. I don't even know what to call what is happening in my job. It's not mobbing. I have experienced mobbing in other jobs. This is different. It just feels like psychological abuse.
My worst mobbing experience happened online, about 12 years ago. It was in relation to something kind of like whistleblowing. The people who instigated it were out to discredit my friend's research. I can't talk about it. I don't even like to think about it anymore.
Ever notice how these things are almost always related to suppression of truth? This is why we are targeted, simply because we are truthful.
The question for me now is, how do I deal with the long-term effects of going through these things? It really is like psychological murder.
Mobbing online is intentional psychological violence too. The perpetrators are even more cowardly than the workplace mobbers - because they can hide behind anonymity. They can be equally vicious and destructive. On the rare occasions when I see it starting to happen here I helicopter in and post about the terrain and overall dynamics of the discussion below, in my somewhat direct way. It doesn't make me popular and usually diverts the personal attacks to me instead of their original target, remembering one particular occasion when one of the primary abusers in that setting got thumped (banned) by a moderator. Oh the relief...
"Ever notice, you say Dianthus, how these things are almost always related to the suppression of truth?" You bet I do! Sometimes, the most radical thing you can do, that anyone can do, is to tell the truth. The underlying reigning societal hypocrisy is that children are socialised to not lie (and punished when they do) to emerge into a culture of lies in the adult world, with which they are suddenly expected to collude. And HFAs tend not to collude. They tend to detest these hypocrisies. And when the lies are so important that they affect the well-being of others, the suppression of truth, (like a faked academic paper by a professor with reputation, to spread a lie he wishes to promote) or sweeping under the carpet some kind of toxic harrassment - often sexual, sometimes stealing the work of another academic... HFAs tend not to shut up when these things reach a critical mass and the war breaks out.
The misuse of hierarcichal power particularly irks me - giving an outspoken student for example a B instead of the A+ their paper merits - or an A to a suck-up who is a C-grade student. Ignoring some breach of some petty rule by a close colleague, yet using the same to trump up charges against a competitor. I've seen this and much, much more in academia.
"The question now is how do I deal with the long term effects of these things" If it feels like psychological abuse, it probably is; trust your instincts and perceptions, discuss them with a really trusted friend who has the capabilities and good will to double check your perspective. (The validation thing again - tremendously important to put the stress of this in perspective and release any hint of uncertainty and confusion, it resolves the second guessing our own perceptions and experience). The combination of: validation, support, self-care, accurately naming what is going on and time are important stabilisers. Being truly loved and appreciated and heard is another, if we have that luxury available.
One thing I would add here which might seem odd - coming from me - is that the Catholic Church has people who work solely as something called 'Spiritual Directors'. One of the things they do is confidentially speak with people who are in crisis, like counsellors, about the conflicts between soul, conscience, confronting big issues regarding these in everyday life, and identifying "what is it that your soul requires you to think/feel/do? What is the meaning of this in your life? What is the meaning of this to your overall spiritual well-being?" It is a resource little known about (never advertised). They are not evangelistic nor set up to recruit people to the faith. I had the good luck to meet one who was immensely wise. Her ability to listen, understand and support was so advanced that it was like being on another planet where the inhabitants were immensely advanced compared to humans - no psychologist came anywhere near to the soul and spiritual (not religious) support that woman offered and gave to me. She was truly a healer of the soul. (And directed me to the wonderful work of the "psychologist of the soul", James Hillman, which she knew would refresh my inspiration).
I don't know if this facility works the same in the US or with the same intentions. It might. My experience was totally confidential. It certainly felt like a blessing.
In life there are very many people who are clever, many more who are very learned, but bugger all who are truly wise. When you find one of the latter, you never ever forget it nor their healing impact on your life.
Olympiadis, I thought of you when I read this piece about the Matrix:
http://thespiritscience.net/2015/09/05/ ... ocialnetwo
Also I am curious about whether others relate to it.
Some comforting graphics: 10 things to remember when things go wrong:
http://thespiritscience.net/2015/08/30/ ... -go-wrong/
http://thespiritscience.net/2015/08/30/ ... -go-wrong/
Sorry, I misplaced the grahics somehow and posted only related text.
I would say something very similar, but in place of "logical thinking" I would differentiate between conscious and subconscious thought as representing the primary intelligence of each group.
Basically:
For 90% of humanity, their primary intelligence is controlled subconsciously. (system/identity)
For 10% of humanity, their primary intelligence is controlled by conscious thought. (individual/self)
Interesting idea...
Time to bring out the aspie magnifying glass...
NTs/allistics tend to embrace intuitiveness to a much greater degree, which is essentially subconscious/unconscious thinking...
However, subconscious/unconscious thought can engage both rational and emotional components...
It tends also to be less critical...or should I say, tends not to be critical except in the sense of incorporating previous experiences...
The "danger" of intuitiveness is the emotional/irrational aspect corrupting, at times, the thought process...
Autistics, on the other hand tend to embrace conscious/rational thought to a much greater degree...
Do we have a choice in the matter?
If we are consciously aware of our thinking, we are in a much better position to involve critical consideration...
The conscious platform has it's disadvantages, however, in terms the effort and speed involved, hence it is partly responsible for the "system overload" associated with those on the autistic spectrum...
Analogously, driving a car constantly in low gear...
Please feel free to apply conscious, critical but constructive thought to my reasoning...
It is after all in it's conceptual infancy...
