The NT Has No Clothes

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Fully agreed.

I'm not sure it's clear where I'm coming from: I believe that neurodiverse people/aspies can be just as dismissive and unwilling to understand/accommodate NTs (as the other way around) and if they would form the majority and make a new set of social rules, NTs would be treated exactly the same way neurodiverse and disabled people are treated right now by the mainstream.

I guess I basically I agree with all you say, except I think "people" or "mainstream society" instead of NTs *shrug*

I don't look upon it as Us vs Them.

I was wondering why this thread wasn't locked yet, but I see that we were hacked by the love potion magicians again.

You know, in sociology classes, white men are frequently bashed. Despite the fact that a few white men are always sitting right there in the class and some of us are the mothers of white males. There's no point in jumping in, because all people want is an excuse to argue. If you're part of the majority (such as being non-autistic or a neurotypical), you should just let people vent when they need to.

With all due respect SocOfAutism (as I genuinely appreciate most of your posts on this forum), this is not in the Haven where people go to vent unchallenged and I really hope this thread doesn't get locked because a few of us autistic people disagree with the generalisations several posters make here, both about NTs and aspies. Since it turned into a debate, it might be better suited in the PPR.

This sums it up perfectly as far as I'm concerned.

SocOfAutism, I used to call everyone out on every stereotype I could find, even when they were venting. My therapist helped me realize this was just another one of my social blunders.

Androbot, I understand now, after reading more of your posts. You're right that too many people dismiss dysfunctional systems and environments without a second thought or feeling. I also think that a lot of people think and feel but don't, or can't, take action.

About being unhappy because of all the dysfunction in society, that makes sense. I've found that I'm happier or unhappier, based in part on my focus. If I'm frustrated about all that's wrong with society, but I manage to get myself out of that funk just enough to consider things that work out well, I do tend to feel happier. There's also a feedback loop where the more unhappy I feel, the more I find wrong with my life and society. The happier I feel, the more examples of kindness, honesty, ETC. come to mind. How do you feel about that?

I've been reading the rest of the thread, and there are so many good points that I can't quickly call them all out and agree.

Yes, you're right. But also, you're not going to win people over by arguing with everything they say. YOU don't do that, Bender, but you know what I'm saying. Some people do. Sometimes when people are negative you just have to let it go.

Data- I think stereotyping is an autistic talent. It's just another way of seeing patterns. It can be hard to keep yourself from pointing them out. It seems like a helpful thing to do. Often it IS helpful.

Yes,I get what you're saying. I have no bone to pick with you, or androbot for that matter. But I'm starting to get exasperated with the projection and stereotyping I see so often on this forum, especially regarding us, autistic people and feel dejected and downright depressed to see to what extent people contribute and exacerbate the problems we experience living in mainstream society due to this "us versus them" mentality and concentrating on other people's lack of understanding and tolerance while exhibiting the same attitude.

I think it's important to discuss these things and I also think NTs could have a valuable contribution to add. If it's venting, it belongs in the Haven and I wouldn't have posted there what I posted here.

Peace

Is stereotyping an autistic talent? If so, then it's one that we all share as humans, as an extension of creating or finding patterns like you said. It's categorization taken too far.

Yeah, there are situations where it is helpful to call people out on stereotypes, like in academic research or calm discussion. Sometimes that actually works for me. But when I call my friends out on man-bashing, woman-bashing, or whatever else comes out in a rant, that's the least helpful and most laughable. LOL.

Where exactly did I say that? I see stereotyping as a human trait and in my opinion one characteristic of a lazy mind.


Do whatever works for you.


This is indeed degenerating into bickering, so off I go.

I totally agree. Positive feeds positive, negative feeds negative. And there is lots of good in the world; I'm aware of it.


I hear you. I didn't really mean the thread to be that way. It's just hard to describe a difference without naming the norm.

Thank you and I apologise for any misunderstanding on my part.

Sorry, you didn't. I think SocOfAutism mentioned stereotyping as an autistic talent, right before your post. I didn't mean to bother you, and I agree with you.

LOL, so all ends well after all

Cheers guys, we're starting an early weekend around these parts, I hope you also enjoy yours!

I disagree. When any "venting" happens in regards to race or gender people are called out immediately. I see any thread that surrounds the subject of NT's vs Aspies as what I call "groupism" and should be treated no different. I wouldn't have any problems if an Aspie talked about specific NT's in their life that give them problems, but putting all NT's into one group and stereotyping them is wrong and I believe sends out a negative message to other Aspies that NT's are the enemy when really we are all just people who think differently and have our own individual problems. Aspies live with probably 95% NT's. How are they to have any sort of life if they see their friends or family members as the "enemy"? Actually, I wish that Aspies didn't see themselves as different from NT's at all because, from my experience, there are a lot of NT's out there that have their own "personalities", so to speak. NT's are far from perfect. That is why everyone should be seen as an individual, imo.

Yes, sorry, that was me. Stereotyping is a type of categorizing. All people categorize and stereotype, non-maliciously, and autistic people TEND to be better at categorization and error-finding than other people. I should just step out of this thread now.

No need to apologize. Everyone should have their opinion and be able to voice what that is.