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24 Feb 2017, 6:33 pm

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They would be a "possible aspie", or a "self dxd aspie".


But is a possible aspie an aspie, or is it something else? Are you saying they might be an aspie, it's just unknown (in which case it contradicts the definition you gave), or are they like in some sort of superimposition of states and they collapse into an aspie or not an aspie at diagnosis?


Are you talking about Quantum superposition - Schrödinger's cat?


Like Schrödinger, the point I'm making is that the very idea is ridiculous.


I'm not sure what your getting at , it's like being born with faulty genes , if I dont get the gene test till I'm 45 proving their fault , did I not have faulty genes up until that point. :?:


You need to look back at what I was saying in context, where the person claimed an aspie is strictly someone diagnosed with aspergers.


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25 Feb 2017, 2:09 am

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From where I stand it's EXTREMELY obvious I know what I'm talking about and you don't

My point exactly - you need to step back and think critically about what you think you know. Of course it'll look like that from where you stand, it's human nature to do this.



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25 Feb 2017, 8:03 am

Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
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They would be a "possible aspie", or a "self dxd aspie".


But is a possible aspie an aspie, or is it something else? Are you saying they might be an aspie, it's just unknown (in which case it contradicts the definition you gave), or are they like in some sort of superimposition of states and they collapse into an aspie or not an aspie at diagnosis?


Are you talking about Quantum superposition - Schrödinger's cat?


Like Schrödinger, the point I'm making is that the very idea is ridiculous.


I'm not sure what your getting at , it's like being born with faulty genes , if I dont get the gene test till I'm 45 proving their fault , did I not have faulty genes up until that point. :?:


You need to look back at what I was saying in context, where the person claimed an aspie is strictly someone diagnosed with aspergers.


I just checked to see if what I was saying is in context - and it is.

I agreed with their Dx i.e. officially dx

If you are not officially Dx then your not an officially Dx Aspie.

I know there are people here who don't need an official diagnosis so are self diagnosed and choose to call themselves self Dx Aspies - are they Aspies ? , who knows only an official Dx can say for sure , does it matter ? If it works for them then no.

I still don't know what point your trying to get over or prove.


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27 Feb 2017, 3:08 pm

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From where I stand it's EXTREMELY obvious I know what I'm talking about and you don't

My point exactly - you need to step back and think critically about what you think you know. Of course it'll look like that from where you stand, it's human nature to do this.


You don't know what you're talking about because you don't know what you don't know. You think the problem is just my bias, but I know that I know things that you don't.


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27 Feb 2017, 3:11 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
They would be a "possible aspie", or a "self dxd aspie".


But is a possible aspie an aspie, or is it something else? Are you saying they might be an aspie, it's just unknown (in which case it contradicts the definition you gave), or are they like in some sort of superimposition of states and they collapse into an aspie or not an aspie at diagnosis?


Are you talking about Quantum superposition - Schrödinger's cat?


Like Schrödinger, the point I'm making is that the very idea is ridiculous.


I'm not sure what your getting at , it's like being born with faulty genes , if I dont get the gene test till I'm 45 proving their fault , did I not have faulty genes up until that point. :?:


You need to look back at what I was saying in context, where the person claimed an aspie is strictly someone diagnosed with aspergers.


I just checked to see if what I was saying is in context - and it is.

I agreed with their Dx i.e. officially dx

If you are not officially Dx then your not an officially Dx Aspie.

I know there are people here who don't need an official diagnosis so are self diagnosed and choose to call themselves self Dx Aspies - are they Aspies ? , who knows only an official Dx can say for sure , does it matter ? If it works for them then no.

I still don't know what point your trying to get over or prove.


"If you are not officially Dx then your not an officially Dx Aspie. " That is a tautology that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I'm talking about what aspie ACTUALLY means based on how people use it, not what it's defined as, and am trying to get people to apply critical thinking skills so they can understand the problems with equating aspie with diagnosis.


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27 Feb 2017, 3:35 pm

Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
They would be a "possible aspie", or a "self dxd aspie".


But is a possible aspie an aspie, or is it something else? Are you saying they might be an aspie, it's just unknown (in which case it contradicts the definition you gave), or are they like in some sort of superimposition of states and they collapse into an aspie or not an aspie at diagnosis?


Are you talking about Quantum superposition - Schrödinger's cat?


Like Schrödinger, the point I'm making is that the very idea is ridiculous.


I'm not sure what your getting at , it's like being born with faulty genes , if I dont get the gene test till I'm 45 proving their fault , did I not have faulty genes up until that point. :?:


You need to look back at what I was saying in context, where the person claimed an aspie is strictly someone diagnosed with aspergers.


I just checked to see if what I was saying is in context - and it is.

I agreed with their Dx i.e. officially dx

If you are not officially Dx then your not an officially Dx Aspie.

I know there are people here who don't need an official diagnosis so are self diagnosed and choose to call themselves self Dx Aspies - are they Aspies ? , who knows only an official Dx can say for sure , does it matter ? If it works for them then no.

I still don't know what point your trying to get over or prove.


"If you are not officially Dx then your not an officially Dx Aspie. " That is a tautology that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I'm talking about what aspie ACTUALLY means based on how people use it, not what it's defined as, and am trying to get people to apply critical thinking skills so they can understand the problems with equating aspie with diagnosis.


Oh I see , I get it now. Your not actually interested in anyone's opinion , your only interested in changing opinion. I know of no other way of using the word Aspie unless it refers to someone with Aspergers. If the word Aspie has evolved and transcended to a different meaning - I dont know it :roll:


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27 Feb 2017, 6:24 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
They would be a "possible aspie", or a "self dxd aspie".


But is a possible aspie an aspie, or is it something else? Are you saying they might be an aspie, it's just unknown (in which case it contradicts the definition you gave), or are they like in some sort of superimposition of states and they collapse into an aspie or not an aspie at diagnosis?


Are you talking about Quantum superposition - Schrödinger's cat?


Like Schrödinger, the point I'm making is that the very idea is ridiculous.


I'm not sure what your getting at , it's like being born with faulty genes , if I dont get the gene test till I'm 45 proving their fault , did I not have faulty genes up until that point. :?:


You need to look back at what I was saying in context, where the person claimed an aspie is strictly someone diagnosed with aspergers.


I just checked to see if what I was saying is in context - and it is.

I agreed with their Dx i.e. officially dx

If you are not officially Dx then your not an officially Dx Aspie.

I know there are people here who don't need an official diagnosis so are self diagnosed and choose to call themselves self Dx Aspies - are they Aspies ? , who knows only an official Dx can say for sure , does it matter ? If it works for them then no.

I still don't know what point your trying to get over or prove.


"If you are not officially Dx then your not an officially Dx Aspie. " That is a tautology that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I'm talking about what aspie ACTUALLY means based on how people use it, not what it's defined as, and am trying to get people to apply critical thinking skills so they can understand the problems with equating aspie with diagnosis.


Oh I see , I get it now. Your not actually interested in anyone's opinion , your only interested in changing opinion. I know of no other way of using the word Aspie unless it refers to someone with Aspergers. If the word Aspie has evolved and transcended to a different meaning - I dont know it :roll:


No, I'm only interested in SOUND opinions. I'm interested in your opinion, but I will challenge it if you can't back it up. Now, did you actually bother to read the initial post?


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27 Feb 2017, 7:46 pm

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No, I'm only interested in SOUND opinions. I'm interested in your opinion, but I will challenge it if you can't back it up. Now, did you actually bother to read the initial post?


Yes I read your initial post and likened it to reading a physchology textbook yawn! I gleaned from it what your actual question was and I think I answered it. I'll repost it just in case you missed it

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I know of no other way of using the word Aspie unless it refers to someone with Aspergers. If the word Aspie has evolved and transcended to a different meaning - I dont know it :roll:


You can tell me I'm wrong or my opinion is outdated but it is what is

It's actually a moot point point anyway as I haven't been Dx .


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28 Feb 2017, 1:41 am

Ganondox wrote:
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From where I stand it's EXTREMELY obvious I know what I'm talking about and you don't

My point exactly - you need to step back and think critically about what you think you know. Of course it'll look like that from where you stand, it's human nature to do this.


You don't know what you're talking about because you don't know what you don't know. You think the problem is just my bias, but I know that I know things that you don't.

No, I think your problem is you think something but you don't know exactly why.



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28 Feb 2017, 2:07 am

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I'm confused. Aspergers is said to be a social disorder, yet with some if the symptoms some were telling me about in another thread - those were neurological disorders. A person with symptoms of anxiety, depression, problems with light and sound - that is all neurological. Something tells me it is both. It seems the neurological problems would have nothing to do with the social problems.


Neurological problems can lead to social problems because social development in children is due to how the brain develops.



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28 Feb 2017, 5:31 pm

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No, I'm only interested in SOUND opinions. I'm interested in your opinion, but I will challenge it if you can't back it up. Now, did you actually bother to read the initial post?


Yes I read your initial post and likened it to reading a physchology textbook yawn! I gleaned from it what your actual question was and I think I answered it. I'll repost it just in case you missed it

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I know of no other way of using the word Aspie unless it refers to someone with Aspergers. If the word Aspie has evolved and transcended to a different meaning - I dont know it :roll:


You can tell me I'm wrong or my opinion is outdated but it is what is

It's actually a moot point point anyway as I haven't been Dx .


I suggest you read the post again because you clearly didn't understand it very well as I answered your questions in it.


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28 Feb 2017, 5:32 pm

iliketrees wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
iliketrees wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
From where I stand it's EXTREMELY obvious I know what I'm talking about and you don't

My point exactly - you need to step back and think critically about what you think you know. Of course it'll look like that from where you stand, it's human nature to do this.


You don't know what you're talking about because you don't know what you don't know. You think the problem is just my bias, but I know that I know things that you don't.

No, I think your problem is you think something but you don't know exactly why.


I know exactly why, I just can't provide you the information because that's not how the world works. It's because I've been studying this crap for years, both in school and outside of it.


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28 Feb 2017, 6:00 pm

Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:

No, I'm only interested in SOUND opinions. I'm interested in your opinion, but I will challenge it if you can't back it up. Now, did you actually bother to read the initial post?


Yes I read your initial post and likened it to reading a physchology textbook yawn! I gleaned from it what your actual question was and I think I answered it. I'll repost it just in case you missed it

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I know of no other way of using the word Aspie unless it refers to someone with Aspergers. If the word Aspie has evolved and transcended to a different meaning - I dont know it :roll:


You can tell me I'm wrong or my opinion is outdated but it is what is

It's actually a moot point point anyway as I haven't been Dx .


I suggest you read the post again because you clearly didn't understand it very well as I answered your questions in it.


Clearly I didn't understand then :roll:


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01 Mar 2017, 12:04 am

Ganondox wrote:
iliketrees wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
iliketrees wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
From where I stand it's EXTREMELY obvious I know what I'm talking about and you don't

My point exactly - you need to step back and think critically about what you think you know. Of course it'll look like that from where you stand, it's human nature to do this.


You don't know what you're talking about because you don't know what you don't know. You think the problem is just my bias, but I know that I know things that you don't.

No, I think your problem is you think something but you don't know exactly why.


I know exactly why, I just can't provide you the information because that's not how the world works. It's because I've been studying this crap for years, both in school and outside of it.

Why can't you? If you're going to be stating it as fact, you need to, since people will always have questions - it's just how the world works, people aren't just going to take your word for it.



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iliketrees wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
iliketrees wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
iliketrees wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
From where I stand it's EXTREMELY obvious I know what I'm talking about and you don't

My point exactly - you need to step back and think critically about what you think you know. Of course it'll look like that from where you stand, it's human nature to do this.


You don't know what you're talking about because you don't know what you don't know. You think the problem is just my bias, but I know that I know things that you don't.

No, I think your problem is you think something but you don't know exactly why.


I know exactly why, I just can't provide you the information because that's not how the world works. It's because I've been studying this crap for years, both in school and outside of it.

Why can't you? If you're going to be stating it as fact, you need to, since people will always have questions - it's just how the world works, people aren't just going to take your word for it.


I don't even know what the hell you want me to do at this point, because you'd been rambling off topic for so long. How about you answer the topic question? Don't think you actually ever bothered to do that.


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SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:

No, I'm only interested in SOUND opinions. I'm interested in your opinion, but I will challenge it if you can't back it up. Now, did you actually bother to read the initial post?


Yes I read your initial post and likened it to reading a physchology textbook yawn! I gleaned from it what your actual question was and I think I answered it. I'll repost it just in case you missed it

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I know of no other way of using the word Aspie unless it refers to someone with Aspergers. If the word Aspie has evolved and transcended to a different meaning - I dont know it :roll:


You can tell me I'm wrong or my opinion is outdated but it is what is

It's actually a moot point point anyway as I haven't been Dx .


I suggest you read the post again because you clearly didn't understand it very well as I answered your questions in it.


Clearly I didn't understand then :roll:


So, what is an aspie? If it's someone diagnosed with aspergers, then does diagnosis itself transform someone into one? If it's just someone with the potential to be diagnosed, you do realize impairment is required for diagnosis, but with learned skills impairment can be removed? And if someone gains skills so they no longer qualify for diagnosis, are they still an aspie?


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