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bunnyb wrote:
CuriousButDepressed wrote:
bunnyb wrote:
Lintar wrote:
CuriousButDepressed wrote:
If anything, I believe that their strengths should be amplified and their weaknesses should be utterly annihilated so that we can create a new race of supreme human beings.
Hmm, now where have I come across THAT before?
https://www.amazon.com/Mein-Kampf/s?ie= ... in%20Kampf
I wish there was a like button!
But I don't want to harm the people with disabilities, rather I simply want to give them an option to eliminate their problems.
You say you want to give them the option but just how do you think that would work? At what age would the 'cure' become available? Would it be at 16, 18 or maybe 21? Do you think parents who have a small child diagnosed would be prepared to wait and what about the cost of early intervention. Wouldn't it been seen as a waste of time if a 'cure' was available? Much cheaper for society to force a cure on small children and very few parents would oppose it. If you spent any time in the parents section on here you would see how hard it is for parents to understand this thing called autism. They would pretty much all want the 'cure' asap. You idea is deeply flawed.
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StampySquiddyFan
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27 Jul 2017, 8:16 am
Drake wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
Drake wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
Drake wrote:
I would personally make sweeping changes to myself if I could. I see my autism as an overall detriment to me, but I wouldn't turn myself into an NT if the option was available, it's too scary, and my life has been built around being autistic, not NT.
But I would sweep away all the things that defy logic and limit me. Just off the top of my head, no more meltdowns and other associated emotional issues. No more fear and stress and obsessing over so many stupid things NTs do not fear, barely think about, and even sometimes like. No more dyspraxia. No more poor sense of direction. No more social inadequecies, vulnerabilities, and I'll have that NT "social sense". My empathy is good, but if I can get a boost to that too, I'll have that as well. No more issues with eye contact. No more issues with literal thinking. No more issues with sarcasm. No more issues with overreacting and poorly adapting to sudden change. No more sensory issues. How can any of these things be anything other than a burden? That's a good list, surely you all have at least something there. Tell me why you wouldn't get rid of it. I am honestly curious. Just the accumulated stress from all of it will cut years off my lifespan and cut into my general health, and I'm not even that bad as suffering from autism goes! I got some really nice positive traits out of it, and I'm definitely better off than the majority of other autistics I've met in person, definitely in the upper brackets of the spectrum, but the positives don't offset the negatives. Look at the stuff in the Haven, so much stress and anguish, NTs do not suffer like that, NTs do not suicide at anything like the rate we do. I wonder how many people who've posted in there over the years have since died by their own hand. So many of us were bullied growing up, and so many of us would not have been if not for our autism practically tattooing the words PERFECT VICTIM on our foreheads. Because we are both emotionally fragile and socially isolated we are the perfect targets for bullies to get maximum enjoyment at minimum risk from.
But I would sweep away all the things that defy logic and limit me. Just off the top of my head, no more meltdowns and other associated emotional issues. No more fear and stress and obsessing over so many stupid things NTs do not fear, barely think about, and even sometimes like. No more dyspraxia. No more poor sense of direction. No more social inadequecies, vulnerabilities, and I'll have that NT "social sense". My empathy is good, but if I can get a boost to that too, I'll have that as well. No more issues with eye contact. No more issues with literal thinking. No more issues with sarcasm. No more issues with overreacting and poorly adapting to sudden change. No more sensory issues. How can any of these things be anything other than a burden? That's a good list, surely you all have at least something there. Tell me why you wouldn't get rid of it. I am honestly curious. Just the accumulated stress from all of it will cut years off my lifespan and cut into my general health, and I'm not even that bad as suffering from autism goes! I got some really nice positive traits out of it, and I'm definitely better off than the majority of other autistics I've met in person, definitely in the upper brackets of the spectrum, but the positives don't offset the negatives. Look at the stuff in the Haven, so much stress and anguish, NTs do not suffer like that, NTs do not suicide at anything like the rate we do. I wonder how many people who've posted in there over the years have since died by their own hand. So many of us were bullied growing up, and so many of us would not have been if not for our autism practically tattooing the words PERFECT VICTIM on our foreheads. Because we are both emotionally fragile and socially isolated we are the perfect targets for bullies to get maximum enjoyment at minimum risk from.
I would not choose to get rid of my autism or my OCD when it was severe. I have been through a lot more stress and anguish than most of my peers. Most kids don't come home to sob for hours because they are convinced they have gone insane. Most kids aren't terrified that they are a bad person. Most kids my age don't have the social difficulties, the horrible anxiety, the need for constant sameness, or the sensory issues I have. I can't even hug my own parents because of my sensory issues. You would probably think there was something wrong with me for not wanting to get rid of my horrible difficulties. Well, I'm not like most kids. My suffering has made me a better person. If I hadn't had to jump through the hoops life throws at me, then I wouldn't be where I am today. I would be some arrogant idiot who thinks only of themselves and doesn't have much in common with people who have disabilities. I'm not saying I like having problems; I'm saying that those problems have made me a more tolerant, happy, and accepting person today. I hate my difficulties and still do, but I need to go through them to be human.
I know what you mean actually, about what your suffering has taught you. I'd be carrying around some ignorant views about certain aspects of mental disabilities that would be very hurtful to those suffering from them if expressed if not for having gone through it myself. My logic-based nature would have stopped me being able to understand without having been there myself. And I'd definitely be much stronger in some areas if I could magic away my problems now than if I'd never had them to begin with.
You see value to be gained through your experiences of suffering, and I understand that, but I don't understand how you can actually be happier than you would be without having suffered at all.
But no, I don't think there's something wrong with you. My mind is open, and I want to know why others would keep disabilities which seem to be nothing but a detriment.
I'm not going to argue with you because there is no point. I truly think I am happier having suffered than if I had never suffered at all. I would want to keep my disabilities no matter what. I don't think the world would be a better place if we could get rid of autism. I understand your view on the matter, however I am going to try and use my disadvantages to my advantage. It makes me a better person.
I'm not here to argue. If you're honestly happier with than you would be without, that somehow they supply you with even more pleasure than they do pain overall, then it makes perfect sense for you to keep them. I know I'd be much happier without the things I listed, they are just a drain on me.
Sorry about that- I've argued with somebody else here all day on this matter
.My problems are a real drain on me. But imagine for a second a world with no disorders or suffering. How do you think that would work? We would all be inexperienced and foolish. It seems like a world without problems would be a great idea, but in the long run it would be bad for us. We don't deserve to be superior. If everyone on Earth was a "supreme human being" then what would happen? Would we all live together in peace and harmony? I don't think so. What about the people who don't want to be superior to others? Sure they don't have to be, but do you think they would survive? Survival of the fittest would be at work in that situation. Those people would never be able to get jobs, they would probably be even more socially isolated than autistic people are now. This plan doesn't work. We do not deserve to be better than other people. That's what Hitler tried to do. How did that work out?
27 Jul 2017, 8:29 am
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
Drake wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
Drake wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
Drake wrote:
I would personally make sweeping changes to myself if I could. I see my autism as an overall detriment to me, but I wouldn't turn myself into an NT if the option was available, it's too scary, and my life has been built around being autistic, not NT.
But I would sweep away all the things that defy logic and limit me. Just off the top of my head, no more meltdowns and other associated emotional issues. No more fear and stress and obsessing over so many stupid things NTs do not fear, barely think about, and even sometimes like. No more dyspraxia. No more poor sense of direction. No more social inadequecies, vulnerabilities, and I'll have that NT "social sense". My empathy is good, but if I can get a boost to that too, I'll have that as well. No more issues with eye contact. No more issues with literal thinking. No more issues with sarcasm. No more issues with overreacting and poorly adapting to sudden change. No more sensory issues. How can any of these things be anything other than a burden? That's a good list, surely you all have at least something there. Tell me why you wouldn't get rid of it. I am honestly curious. Just the accumulated stress from all of it will cut years off my lifespan and cut into my general health, and I'm not even that bad as suffering from autism goes! I got some really nice positive traits out of it, and I'm definitely better off than the majority of other autistics I've met in person, definitely in the upper brackets of the spectrum, but the positives don't offset the negatives. Look at the stuff in the Haven, so much stress and anguish, NTs do not suffer like that, NTs do not suicide at anything like the rate we do. I wonder how many people who've posted in there over the years have since died by their own hand. So many of us were bullied growing up, and so many of us would not have been if not for our autism practically tattooing the words PERFECT VICTIM on our foreheads. Because we are both emotionally fragile and socially isolated we are the perfect targets for bullies to get maximum enjoyment at minimum risk from.
But I would sweep away all the things that defy logic and limit me. Just off the top of my head, no more meltdowns and other associated emotional issues. No more fear and stress and obsessing over so many stupid things NTs do not fear, barely think about, and even sometimes like. No more dyspraxia. No more poor sense of direction. No more social inadequecies, vulnerabilities, and I'll have that NT "social sense". My empathy is good, but if I can get a boost to that too, I'll have that as well. No more issues with eye contact. No more issues with literal thinking. No more issues with sarcasm. No more issues with overreacting and poorly adapting to sudden change. No more sensory issues. How can any of these things be anything other than a burden? That's a good list, surely you all have at least something there. Tell me why you wouldn't get rid of it. I am honestly curious. Just the accumulated stress from all of it will cut years off my lifespan and cut into my general health, and I'm not even that bad as suffering from autism goes! I got some really nice positive traits out of it, and I'm definitely better off than the majority of other autistics I've met in person, definitely in the upper brackets of the spectrum, but the positives don't offset the negatives. Look at the stuff in the Haven, so much stress and anguish, NTs do not suffer like that, NTs do not suicide at anything like the rate we do. I wonder how many people who've posted in there over the years have since died by their own hand. So many of us were bullied growing up, and so many of us would not have been if not for our autism practically tattooing the words PERFECT VICTIM on our foreheads. Because we are both emotionally fragile and socially isolated we are the perfect targets for bullies to get maximum enjoyment at minimum risk from.
I would not choose to get rid of my autism or my OCD when it was severe. I have been through a lot more stress and anguish than most of my peers. Most kids don't come home to sob for hours because they are convinced they have gone insane. Most kids aren't terrified that they are a bad person. Most kids my age don't have the social difficulties, the horrible anxiety, the need for constant sameness, or the sensory issues I have. I can't even hug my own parents because of my sensory issues. You would probably think there was something wrong with me for not wanting to get rid of my horrible difficulties. Well, I'm not like most kids. My suffering has made me a better person. If I hadn't had to jump through the hoops life throws at me, then I wouldn't be where I am today. I would be some arrogant idiot who thinks only of themselves and doesn't have much in common with people who have disabilities. I'm not saying I like having problems; I'm saying that those problems have made me a more tolerant, happy, and accepting person today. I hate my difficulties and still do, but I need to go through them to be human.
I know what you mean actually, about what your suffering has taught you. I'd be carrying around some ignorant views about certain aspects of mental disabilities that would be very hurtful to those suffering from them if expressed if not for having gone through it myself. My logic-based nature would have stopped me being able to understand without having been there myself. And I'd definitely be much stronger in some areas if I could magic away my problems now than if I'd never had them to begin with.
You see value to be gained through your experiences of suffering, and I understand that, but I don't understand how you can actually be happier than you would be without having suffered at all.
But no, I don't think there's something wrong with you. My mind is open, and I want to know why others would keep disabilities which seem to be nothing but a detriment.
I'm not going to argue with you because there is no point. I truly think I am happier having suffered than if I had never suffered at all. I would want to keep my disabilities no matter what. I don't think the world would be a better place if we could get rid of autism. I understand your view on the matter, however I am going to try and use my disadvantages to my advantage. It makes me a better person.
I'm not here to argue. If you're honestly happier with than you would be without, that somehow they supply you with even more pleasure than they do pain overall, then it makes perfect sense for you to keep them. I know I'd be much happier without the things I listed, they are just a drain on me.
Sorry about that- I've argued with somebody else here all day on this matter
.My problems are a real drain on me. But imagine for a second a world with no disorders or suffering. How do you think that would work? We would all be inexperienced and foolish. It seems like a world without problems would be a great idea, but in the long run it would be bad for us. We don't deserve to be superior. If everyone on Earth was a "supreme human being" then what would happen? Would we all live together in peace and harmony? I don't think so. What about the people who don't want to be superior to others? Sure they don't have to be, but do you think they would survive? Survival of the fittest would be at work in that situation. Those people would never be able to get jobs, they would probably be even more socially isolated than autistic people are now. This plan doesn't work. We do not deserve to be better than other people. That's what Hitler tried to do. How did that work out?
I've revised my original vision to include NTs as well. If someone wants to remove their weaknesses, there SHOULD be a technology to be able to remove them. Think of all the progress we've made in history because of that one person who had the courage to say: "NO! I'm NOT going to accept this as it is!" That attitude has brought us vaccination, electricity, plumbing, the ability to travel to continents separated by water much more easily and of course, the internet. We need to stand strong against adversity and crush it ultimately. Adversity is like gum that is stuck under your shoe. Without the proper tools, it's stuck there and you have to handle it UNTIL the tools become available to remove it instantly. Once said tools are available, then it must be yanked off, hurled into the trash can that is extinction and mocked with derision like it deserves. How is this such a horrible attitude?
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27 Jul 2017, 8:43 am
CuriousButDepressed wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
Drake wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
Drake wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
Drake wrote:
I would personally make sweeping changes to myself if I could. I see my autism as an overall detriment to me, but I wouldn't turn myself into an NT if the option was available, it's too scary, and my life has been built around being autistic, not NT.
But I would sweep away all the things that defy logic and limit me. Just off the top of my head, no more meltdowns and other associated emotional issues. No more fear and stress and obsessing over so many stupid things NTs do not fear, barely think about, and even sometimes like. No more dyspraxia. No more poor sense of direction. No more social inadequecies, vulnerabilities, and I'll have that NT "social sense". My empathy is good, but if I can get a boost to that too, I'll have that as well. No more issues with eye contact. No more issues with literal thinking. No more issues with sarcasm. No more issues with overreacting and poorly adapting to sudden change. No more sensory issues. How can any of these things be anything other than a burden? That's a good list, surely you all have at least something there. Tell me why you wouldn't get rid of it. I am honestly curious. Just the accumulated stress from all of it will cut years off my lifespan and cut into my general health, and I'm not even that bad as suffering from autism goes! I got some really nice positive traits out of it, and I'm definitely better off than the majority of other autistics I've met in person, definitely in the upper brackets of the spectrum, but the positives don't offset the negatives. Look at the stuff in the Haven, so much stress and anguish, NTs do not suffer like that, NTs do not suicide at anything like the rate we do. I wonder how many people who've posted in there over the years have since died by their own hand. So many of us were bullied growing up, and so many of us would not have been if not for our autism practically tattooing the words PERFECT VICTIM on our foreheads. Because we are both emotionally fragile and socially isolated we are the perfect targets for bullies to get maximum enjoyment at minimum risk from.
But I would sweep away all the things that defy logic and limit me. Just off the top of my head, no more meltdowns and other associated emotional issues. No more fear and stress and obsessing over so many stupid things NTs do not fear, barely think about, and even sometimes like. No more dyspraxia. No more poor sense of direction. No more social inadequecies, vulnerabilities, and I'll have that NT "social sense". My empathy is good, but if I can get a boost to that too, I'll have that as well. No more issues with eye contact. No more issues with literal thinking. No more issues with sarcasm. No more issues with overreacting and poorly adapting to sudden change. No more sensory issues. How can any of these things be anything other than a burden? That's a good list, surely you all have at least something there. Tell me why you wouldn't get rid of it. I am honestly curious. Just the accumulated stress from all of it will cut years off my lifespan and cut into my general health, and I'm not even that bad as suffering from autism goes! I got some really nice positive traits out of it, and I'm definitely better off than the majority of other autistics I've met in person, definitely in the upper brackets of the spectrum, but the positives don't offset the negatives. Look at the stuff in the Haven, so much stress and anguish, NTs do not suffer like that, NTs do not suicide at anything like the rate we do. I wonder how many people who've posted in there over the years have since died by their own hand. So many of us were bullied growing up, and so many of us would not have been if not for our autism practically tattooing the words PERFECT VICTIM on our foreheads. Because we are both emotionally fragile and socially isolated we are the perfect targets for bullies to get maximum enjoyment at minimum risk from.
I would not choose to get rid of my autism or my OCD when it was severe. I have been through a lot more stress and anguish than most of my peers. Most kids don't come home to sob for hours because they are convinced they have gone insane. Most kids aren't terrified that they are a bad person. Most kids my age don't have the social difficulties, the horrible anxiety, the need for constant sameness, or the sensory issues I have. I can't even hug my own parents because of my sensory issues. You would probably think there was something wrong with me for not wanting to get rid of my horrible difficulties. Well, I'm not like most kids. My suffering has made me a better person. If I hadn't had to jump through the hoops life throws at me, then I wouldn't be where I am today. I would be some arrogant idiot who thinks only of themselves and doesn't have much in common with people who have disabilities. I'm not saying I like having problems; I'm saying that those problems have made me a more tolerant, happy, and accepting person today. I hate my difficulties and still do, but I need to go through them to be human.
I know what you mean actually, about what your suffering has taught you. I'd be carrying around some ignorant views about certain aspects of mental disabilities that would be very hurtful to those suffering from them if expressed if not for having gone through it myself. My logic-based nature would have stopped me being able to understand without having been there myself. And I'd definitely be much stronger in some areas if I could magic away my problems now than if I'd never had them to begin with.
You see value to be gained through your experiences of suffering, and I understand that, but I don't understand how you can actually be happier than you would be without having suffered at all.
But no, I don't think there's something wrong with you. My mind is open, and I want to know why others would keep disabilities which seem to be nothing but a detriment.
I'm not going to argue with you because there is no point. I truly think I am happier having suffered than if I had never suffered at all. I would want to keep my disabilities no matter what. I don't think the world would be a better place if we could get rid of autism. I understand your view on the matter, however I am going to try and use my disadvantages to my advantage. It makes me a better person.
I'm not here to argue. If you're honestly happier with than you would be without, that somehow they supply you with even more pleasure than they do pain overall, then it makes perfect sense for you to keep them. I know I'd be much happier without the things I listed, they are just a drain on me.
Sorry about that- I've argued with somebody else here all day on this matter
.My problems are a real drain on me. But imagine for a second a world with no disorders or suffering. How do you think that would work? We would all be inexperienced and foolish. It seems like a world without problems would be a great idea, but in the long run it would be bad for us. We don't deserve to be superior. If everyone on Earth was a "supreme human being" then what would happen? Would we all live together in peace and harmony? I don't think so. What about the people who don't want to be superior to others? Sure they don't have to be, but do you think they would survive? Survival of the fittest would be at work in that situation. Those people would never be able to get jobs, they would probably be even more socially isolated than autistic people are now. This plan doesn't work. We do not deserve to be better than other people. That's what Hitler tried to do. How did that work out?
I've revised my original vision to include NTs as well. If someone wants to remove their weaknesses, there SHOULD be a technology to be able to remove them. Think of all the progress we've made in history because of that one person who had the courage to say: "NO! I'm NOT going to accept this as it is!" That attitude has brought us vaccination, electricity, plumbing, the ability to travel to continents separated by water much more easily and of course, the internet. We need to stand strong against adversity and crush it ultimately. Adversity is like gum that is stuck under your shoe. Without the proper tools, it's stuck there and you have to handle it UNTIL the tools become available to remove it instantly. Once said tools are available, then it must be yanked off, hurled into the trash can that is extinction and mocked with derision like it deserves. How is this such a horrible attitude?
It isn't a horrible attitude, it would just never work. Like bunnyb said, parents would want this cure for their children right away. It would be forced on them. The people that would choose not to be superior would be excluded from everything. They would be another minority. I don't see the point in getting rid of one minority only to add another. It's a ridiculous idea. I'm sorry, science will never be able to prevent death. Sure, new medicines and ideas could let people live longer, but death is inevitable. By the way, vaccinations aren't a plus, they caused autism
(Joke!).
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