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19 Sep 2020, 9:39 pm
19 Sep 2020, 10:02 pm
19 Sep 2020, 10:05 pm
19 Sep 2020, 11:08 pm
FranzOren wrote:
I am sorry if it sounded a little off topic, but I don't feel comfortable calling anyone NT, because as I explained, NT just means anyone without any diagnosis of mental health or developmental disorders
"Don't quote me", but I believe "Neurotypical" refers to "Neurology" and has nothing to do with mental illness.
You can be an NT with a mental disorder.
Autistic neurology is physically different from NTs.
Sociopaths are mentally damaged NTs
Psychopaths are part of the ND community, but probably have their own sub-category?
I have been meaning to research this.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
19 Sep 2020, 11:38 pm
20 Sep 2020, 12:15 am
Pepe wrote:
FranzOren wrote:
I am sorry if it sounded a little off topic, but I don't feel comfortable calling anyone NT, because as I explained, NT just means anyone without any diagnosis of mental health or developmental disorders
"Don't quote me", but I believe "Neurotypical" refers to "Neurology" and has nothing to do with mental illness.
You can be an NT with a mental disorder.
Autistic neurology is physically different from NTs.
Sociopaths are mentally damaged NTs
Psychopaths are part of the ND community, but probably have their own sub-category?
I have been meaning to research this.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
That's actually a good question. There is constantly a question about whether we pathologise "divergent" behavior and there are plenty of NTs who are diagnosed with anxiety or depression but I suppose they are still NT.
20 Sep 2020, 12:17 am
20 Sep 2020, 12:35 am
FranzOren wrote:
It's wrong, you are not an NT if you have a mental health or developmental disorders.
But NT can also mean that you are not diagnosed yet
But NT can also mean that you are not diagnosed yet
Autism is a syndrome, not a mental disorder.
20 Sep 2020, 12:43 am
cyberdad wrote:
FranzOren wrote:
It's wrong, you are not an NT if you have a mental health or developmental disorders.
But NT can also mean that you are not diagnosed yet
But NT can also mean that you are not diagnosed yet
I think it depends on what an NT considered to be neurologically "normal"
That certainly excludes neurodevelopmental disorders but mental illness? perhaps chronic mental illness goes outside the NT umbrella
I believe psychopaths aren't mentally ill or have a developmental disorder.
They are simply neurologically configured differently in such a way that has no functioning conscience.
I really need to research this and I think I will today.
BTW,
I think I have read somewhere that those on the spectrum haven't developed a certain section of the brain which is responsible for "Theory of mind", hence our more childlike and trusting personality, as a default.
20 Sep 2020, 12:49 am
20 Sep 2020, 1:07 am
Joe90 wrote:
Allistic - not on the autism spectrum
Neurotypical - born with the "standard" brain wiring, meaning doesn't have a diagnosable disorder that affects development enough to make the person face challenges in life that neurotypicals generally take for granted
Neurotypical - born with the "standard" brain wiring, meaning doesn't have a diagnosable disorder that affects development enough to make the person face challenges in life that neurotypicals generally take for granted
I still don't see it that way.
I think you are using the NT context which favours NTs.
Personally I see NTs as being very dysfunctional when you consider their history/societies.
Most of our problems manifest themselves as a result of the NT toxic inhabitants/environment.
Using "neurotypicality" as a healthy normality is misleading, imo.
Simply being common doesn't make an organism optimal.
20 Sep 2020, 1:14 am
Hoowah!
First Google hit.
Quote:
Researchers from Queen’s, McMaster, Lethbridge and Saskatchewan are challenging the commonly held belief that psychopaths suffer from a mental disorder. Their new study is published in Frontiers of Psychology. From Queen’s University:
Historically, psychopaths – people who are uncaring about others, extreme risk-takers, and often commit strings of violent crimes – were thought to be mentally disordered.
However, a study led by Queen’s University postdoctoral fellow Daniel Krupp supports more recent thinking, from the perspective of evolutionary psychology, that psychopaths may not be disordered after all. Rather, psychopathy may have evolved to exploit others. https://www.macleans.ca/education/unian ... disorders/
Historically, psychopaths – people who are uncaring about others, extreme risk-takers, and often commit strings of violent crimes – were thought to be mentally disordered.
However, a study led by Queen’s University postdoctoral fellow Daniel Krupp supports more recent thinking, from the perspective of evolutionary psychology, that psychopaths may not be disordered after all. Rather, psychopathy may have evolved to exploit others. https://www.macleans.ca/education/unian ... disorders/
20 Sep 2020, 2:31 am
20 Sep 2020, 4:23 am
cyberdad wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Neurotypical - born with the "standard" brain wiring, meaning doesn't have a diagnosable disorder that affects development enough to make the person face challenges in life that neurotypicals generally take for granted
So to clarify NT people include those who are not autistic but also have brain wiring that is not "standard".
A minor issue is people who are wired differently but function perfectly normally so go through life oblivious to their apparent wiring.
So it boils down to "being accepted by NTs" as "normal". A label driven by consensus.
I disagree.
I would define an NT on the basis of the "Hardware" rather than the "Software".
20 Sep 2020, 4:33 am
Pepe wrote:
Hoowah!
First Google hit.
First Google hit.
Quote:
Researchers from Queen’s, McMaster, Lethbridge and Saskatchewan are challenging the commonly held belief that psychopaths suffer from a mental disorder. Their new study is published in Frontiers of Psychology. From Queen’s University:
Historically, psychopaths – people who are uncaring about others, extreme risk-takers, and often commit strings of violent crimes – were thought to be mentally disordered.
However, a study led by Queen’s University postdoctoral fellow Daniel Krupp supports more recent thinking, from the perspective of evolutionary psychology, that psychopaths may not be disordered after all. Rather, psychopathy may have evolved to exploit others. https://www.macleans.ca/education/unian ... disorders/
Historically, psychopaths – people who are uncaring about others, extreme risk-takers, and often commit strings of violent crimes – were thought to be mentally disordered.
However, a study led by Queen’s University postdoctoral fellow Daniel Krupp supports more recent thinking, from the perspective of evolutionary psychology, that psychopaths may not be disordered after all. Rather, psychopathy may have evolved to exploit others. https://www.macleans.ca/education/unian ... disorders/
Hmm I wonder if this is where pathologising 'HFA' people comes in...
They want a society more psycopathic rather than more autistic...
It's a shame that WP doesn't have the eye emoji.
20 Sep 2020, 4:36 am
