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07 Oct 2007, 8:32 pm

I also wanted to add that I am also living with my parents, and I do have an amount of dependency on them. Since conventional employment doesn't work in a major way, I'm trying to get the internet commerce market to provide an income for me. I have marketable skills, though I do have a very hard time applying them at times. So currently my cash flow is a little erratic, and I can't guarentee I will have the money every month for rent, etc.

Also, I have bad anxiety and I don't think I would be able to live alone. I don't have a desire to be social with other people, though I do like the company of my parents. I could also be happy with the companionship of a spouse/SO. Elsewise, I could really give a frig less if I'm around other people. If I want to communicate, I come online. Rest of the time, I'm happy to do my own thing.

Okay, went off topic a bit there. Sorry. But I can say I wouldn't want to be alone at night. Too many hang ups, some them not even related to TS/AS, but personal experince.

However, since my mother has an MS type disease that makes getting around and working difficult, I do the vast majority of the housework and my share of the cooking. I handle the family's finances after my father got tired of over drawn checks and being stressed over bills. Truth be told, it stresses the hell out of me too but he had a heart attack last Oct, so I try hard to help out as much as I can.

I'm dependant on my parents as I need someone to guide me a little to help when I get so overwhelmed or focused on a small thing or my special interests that nothing gets done. I also need someone to help me with anxiety issues. And when I'm having a meltdown, well, being alone would be bad. Last time I did have one alone it was pretty bad. Maybe I wouldn't have them at home if I lived alone, but I also wouldn't get anything done. I'm trying hard with lists and schedules to keep everything on task, but I distract too easy or get focused elsewhere. Like many of you have described, I am able to walk past a dirty sink full of dishes for a week without it ever dawning on me to wash them.

I don't really go out often by myself. Generally, I go out with my father or my boyfriend, when I'm in a relationship, and am content with that. My father and I are buddies and we act like big kids out in public without worrying about other people's opinions. Now that I'm coming to believe we're both Aspies, I think I'm starting to understand why we're close as father/daughter and friends. I do drive and on good days I'll go to a few favorite spots on my own. Other times, I'm just too irrational and unpredictable to trust behind the wheel. I also have social anxiety and that makes me feel uncomfortable in a sea of strangers. I can enjoy going out if I have a partner and forget about everyone else around us (mindblind?) but when I'm alone, I start feeling paranoid and way too vulnerable. And my parents are relieved that I don't mind dragging Daddy around with me because they worry about me, since I seem to fall into harmful situations easily. I've been sexually abused by four different parties over my life time and I have a stalker floating around out there.

I think the best way to describe it is my thought process is not normal, so sometimes I need someone (my parents now, probably a hubby later) to pull me back into reality. I'm not broken, just wired differently. :)


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07 Oct 2007, 8:38 pm

I know what you're saying about living alone. I think my fear about that, is I might end up developing some kind of neurosis from being reclusive. Like, it's hard enough meeting people when you do live at home, vs living alone. I think everyone needs somebody to keep them on track, or they'd just do nothing all day. Or like if they're depressed they'd sleep too much and then that would only excacerbate the depression and...not good.

I am kind of :? whenever I think of my parents passing away, aside from the obvious reasons of feeling like that. Cause I'm like, then where will I go?


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07 Oct 2007, 8:43 pm

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Hmm, difficult one. Ticker's post irked me a little, but at the same time, she is right in ways. Back in the past, before AS was a label, those with it either sank or swam. There was no option to sit there, feeling sorry for oneself and blaming everything on the AS issues. And although I am sure there are some who genuinely cannot work because their issues are that severe, I am also sure there are others, including myself, who could put that little extra effort in and at least try to work etc.

I think her annoyance is valid considering she clearly works damn hard and has worked damn hard to live with her AS issues and still get along in the world.


No one held a gun to Ticker's head to get her to read this forum.

I have to work damn hard and I have to deal with my issues. This is why I know how it feels.



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07 Oct 2007, 8:55 pm

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Graelwyn wrote:
Hmm, difficult one. Ticker's post irked me a little, but at the same time, she is right in ways. Back in the past, before AS was a label, those with it either sank or swam. There was no option to sit there, feeling sorry for oneself and blaming everything on the AS issues. And although I am sure there are some who genuinely cannot work because their issues are that severe, I am also sure there are others, including myself, who could put that little extra effort in and at least try to work etc.

I think her annoyance is valid considering she clearly works damn hard and has worked damn hard to live with her AS issues and still get along in the world.


No one held a gun to Ticker's head to get her to read this forum.

I have to work damn hard and I have to deal with my issues. This is why I know how it feels.


I was not talking about you.
I was trying to see it from her perspective and why she said as she said.



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07 Oct 2007, 8:56 pm

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In the old days people with Aspergers were expected to work hard and be self supportive like anyone else. Those were the days when people didn't get diagnosed with AS because the diagnosis didn't exist yet. They were just the local mad scientist or eccentric old cat lady. These days kids get an AS diagnosis and they think its their ticket to sitting on their butt playing video games and surfing the net all day as an adult while their parents and society takes care of them.

If you are able to post on WP then you CAN work. The problem is laziness and enabling by parents. I notice especially that single moms seem to like to keep their AS sons dependant so that he will continue to live with her after he graduates high school. So partly it is some parents fault and it is quite sick.

Sure I used to be nervous calling on the phone to make an appointment and nervous at job interviews. But I quit being a weinie and did it anyway. The more I did it, the easier it got.

My diagnosing doctors have said I am highly autistic. Yet even though I did live with my father in my 20's I was working and I did ALL of the cooking, laundry and shopping. I now have multiple illnesses, have TBI but I am living 2000 miles away from family and still dragging myself into work even though I am now considered physically disabled. In fact one of my doctors offered last week to put me on disability, actually tried to insist, but I very blunting told her NO WAY. I would rather die than be dependant on someone else. Look if I can do it, the rest of you can do it.

Quit using autism as your excuse, quit using your enabling parents as an excuse or your immaturity as an excuse. You WILL MATURE as an adult once you get off your lazy butt and pull your own weight in the world. Life experience=Maturity. The older generation of Aspies did it with absolutely no help. You're an adult now-- its your turn!


Ticker stop getting angry at people on this board, because they have support and you don't. You don't know people's personal issues, for why they can't work. All you are doing is proving that people who have to work, bully those who don't, out of pure jelousy.

We live in a society where people with AS do get help, and that is a good thing. Just because a job worked out for you, doesn't mean you should try to force it on us. You said you would rather die than be dependant on someone else. Then stop whining because other people have people who they can depend on. You made your bed, now lie in it.


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07 Oct 2007, 9:04 pm

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People with AS are developmentally delayed so a 26 yrs old person with AS is as mature as a NT 16 yrs old. Also taking into account the things that make life much more difficult for a person with AS to live independently. Such as sensory issues, social phobia/anxiety, depression, lack of fine motor skills, not having any kind of social support. It makes things much more difficult.

I forgot to say I live independantly, but didn't move out on my own till age 29.


MAN are YOU ever WRONG!! !! !! !! It is more like people with AS are developmentally delayed SOCIALLY to be as "mature" as say a 10 year old, in some respects anyway. Other things are NOT significantly delayed, and the level you indicate IS significant by ANY measure!



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07 Oct 2007, 9:29 pm

Ticker wrote:
I notice especially that single moms seem to like to keep their AS sons dependant so that he will continue to live with her after he graduates high school. So partly it is some parents fault and it is quite sick.

It's still hard for me to grasp that there is someone this astoundingly compassionless posting on Wrong Planet. Ticker seems like a mean-spirited NT to me. Did Ann Coulter decide to drop by and harass Aspies for a while?
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might i remind you that autism is a spectrum disorder, everyone who has it isnt going to be on the same level of functioning as you.

This is the truth right here. As I'm discovering with my son, there is such a thing as Aspie Anxiety. To most people, what my son is freaking out about is no big deal. But to him it's very real and there's no convincing him otherwise. As he becomes an adult (he's six right now), most of these will go away, but there will still probably be things that totally freak him out and he won't be able to deal with them. How can you just push through it when your mind is convinced that something is absolutely horrifying?



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07 Oct 2007, 9:35 pm

violet_yoshi,

I think this post pretty much says it all:

violet_yoshi wrote:
Ticker stop getting angry at people on this board, because they have support and you don't. You don't know people's personal issues, for why they can't work. All you are doing is proving that people who have to work, bully those who don't, out of pure jelousy.

We live in a society where people with AS do get help, and that is a good thing. Just because a job worked out for you, doesn't mean you should try to force it on us. You said you would rather die than be dependant on someone else. Then stop whining because other people have people who they can depend on. You made your bed, now lie in it.


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07 Oct 2007, 9:51 pm

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also it is very hard to make a living in america! you have to make atleast $45,000 a year here to live comfortably. i dont know what that translates into how much an hour you need to make at your job but still, it is no easy task!!


Well, I make $15,000/year and I live by myself with my two cats, so it is possible. I am completely financially independent. I know other people who make a lot less than me who also live on their own. I'm 23, BTW. I don't know what your definition of "comfortable" is, but I'm doing fine. I don't live in a cheap part of the country, either.



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07 Oct 2007, 10:01 pm

Lostinspace,

Where do you live in new york? I worked in armonk for a while, and it was a NICE area. The airport was crowded but well run. The company I worked at was in a well designed building in like a forest. The cafeteria felt like a picnic as they had panoramic windows looking out on the forest. I even saw a family of deer crawling underneath a fence. I don't know WHY they didn't walk/jump over it! :lol:

Of course, most of the big city areas are HORRIBLE and cost a FORTUNE!



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07 Oct 2007, 10:08 pm

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also it is very hard to make a living in america! you have to make atleast $45,000 a year here to live comfortably. i dont know what that translates into how much an hour you need to make at your job but still, it is no easy task!!
Well, I make $15,000/year and I live by myself with my two cats, so it is possible. I am completely financially independent. I know other people who make a lot less than me who also live on their own. I'm 23, BTW. I don't know what your definition of "comfortable" is, but I'm doing fine. I don't live in a cheap part of the country, either.
the only part of new york that is expencive is NYC. ive checked it out online. all the rest of it is inexpencive, comfortably means you can afford nice things, not second hand things or used things. and to live here despite what ticker says (baggers making $30,000 a year here, wich they dont) is expencive. the only other place in arizona that is more expencive is sedona. i dont even think the cost of living in scottsdale is more than here. you cant find an apartment here for under $600 a month and the only utilites it includes is water. rooms for rent here usually go for $450


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07 Oct 2007, 10:18 pm

an example. i'll use the capital city of new york.


To maintain the same standard of living, your salary of $10,499 in Flagstaff, Arizona could decrease to $9,946 in Albany-Schenectady-Troy, New York
Stated another way, it's 5.3% cheaper to live in Albany-Schenectady-Troy, New York than Flagstaff, Arizona


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07 Oct 2007, 10:29 pm

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an example. i'll use the capital city of new york.


To maintain the same standard of living, your salary of $10,499 in Flagstaff, Arizona could decrease to $9,946 in Albany-Schenectady-Troy, New York
Stated another way, it's 5.3% cheaper to live in Albany-Schenectady-Troy, New York than Flagstaff, Arizona


Yes, but those are cheaper parts of New York State. Check out Westchester County for a more expensive area. That's where my parents live. I'm not actually living in New York right now (I know my profile says that though). I'm living in State College, PA. That's the location of Pennsylvania State University, and as a university town filled with professionals, it's much more expensive than the surrounding areas. It's not as expensive as Westchester (at least not the areas more than 15 miles north of the city), and it's not going to compare to the most expensive cities in each state, but it's not inexpensive compared to the majority of the country.



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07 Oct 2007, 10:39 pm

richardbenson wrote:
an example. i'll use the capital city of new york.


To maintain the same standard of living, your salary of $10,499 in Flagstaff, Arizona could decrease to $9,946 in Albany-Schenectady-Troy, New York
Stated another way, it's 5.3% cheaper to live in Albany-Schenectady-Troy, New York than Flagstaff, Arizona


I tried it with Philadelphia, PA, and a salary of $15,000 there could decrease to $13,800 in Flagstaff, AZ. From Lancaster, PA to Flagstaff, it would need to increase to almost $16,000. Probably the true comparison would be somewhere between those two numbers, since State College is less expensive than Philadelphia, but more expensive than Lancaster. There aren't any options in Westchester County, NY, but my family visited Arizona (including Scottsdale, Sedona, etc.) and my parents considered retiring there, because it is *much* cheaper than our area of NY. Prices across NY vary considerably, and in general, southern NY is a very expensive part of the country to live in.



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07 Oct 2007, 10:45 pm

well i guess it depends on what cost of living calculator your using, this is the results for philidelphia i got,


To maintain the same standard of living, your salary of $10,499 in Flagstaff, Arizona could decrease to $9,578 in Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, Pennsylvania
Stated another way, it's 8.8% cheaper to live in Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, Pennsylvania than Flagstaff, Arizona

and heres the cost of living calculator im using: http://www.bestplaces.net/


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07 Oct 2007, 10:46 pm

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Lostinspace,

Where do you live in new york? I worked in armonk for a while, and it was a NICE area.


Armonk is a very nice area. It's really near to where my parents live. It is very expensive though.