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I feel like an a**hole for trying to explain it over and over, but I just can't stop reasoning it out in my head and coming to the same conclusion: bad idea. I know legal channels can be slow and not as dramatic, but it definitely seems the best idea in this case.

She is infused by youth, and a want to "change the world". Its commendable, though not reasonable.

I want to remind you that the police are brutal. I also want to remind you that the police are nothing compared to lawyers. If you think that you will just explain this away as an attempt at humanity, I remind you that Israel is rich; he has not ethical inhibitions. He will hire a brilliant attorney who will crush you. He will paint you as arrogant ret*ds who need to be locked up because you're dangerous to society; incarceration is the BEST CASE SCENARIO. In all likelihood, you will be institutionalised. I'd even wager that Israel has a great place in mind. Even if your actions are not technically kidnapping, you would still have to deal with trespassing. And how will you get in? Open an unguarded, unlocked door? Or overpower the security guard and take his keys? (Assault and forced entry) We need to picket. We need to write letters to congress. We need to make presidential candidates address this in caucuses. We simply do not have the means to start a revolution. Unless you think that you can stand up to the U.S. Military, forced action is not a viable option. So, instead of having best case scenario a quiet arrest and the mercy to send you to prison or worst case scenario another 1970s KSU, lets do this the legal way.

Damn... the dang Invision boards on that server are totally flawed. You can't preregister a person or anything! This is nuts! I feel so embarrassed.

Seconded. Ana54, you need to stop.

I'm almost positive it would be kidnapping. Since they are under 18, their parents have custody of them. If their parents released custody to the institution, then what Ana54 is advocating is clearly kidnapping. With the older children, you may be able to argue in court that they have the capacity to choose to leave the institution. However, that would really be hard to argue considering they were sent there for a reason the court will most definitely recognize, however much you, Ana54, may disagree with it. Also, like the poster above me stated, his lawyers are probably really good. They will make mincemeat out of the argument previously stated, and any others you might think up.

As bad as some of these places are, life on the streets for these people would be far more brutal. That is the tragedy of de-institutionalization. These are people whose families have abandoned them. Very often, there is no alternative but the streets, where life would be short and brutish.

I was wrong to want the place shut down. I'd keep it open for the kids that wanted to stay. I, personally, though, when I was messed up mentally which wasn't my fault, would rather have been on the street, where I might have been raped or paid for sex because I'm female and mugged because I have money, than be in the JRC where I get shocked because I'm ME. In the cases of rape and mugging, it's usually nothing personal.


Now things lots of people don't know about the JRC:


1. There ARE cameras in the restrooms. I confirmed this yesterday from an article.

2. They say that the shock is like a beesting, but it knocks some students to the floor and ex-teachers have said that they saw kids writhing and screaming on the floor from the shocks.

3. An ex-teacher told a reporter that the Mother Jones article is just the ICING ON THE CAKE, and is a long way from revealing the true horrors of what goes on there every day and what the kids have to endure. She actually said all of this.

4. Dr. Israel makes the teachers-in-training watch slaughterhouse movies. This is mandatory.

5. Antwone Nicholson (as former student), according to a staff, was shocked over 70 times in one day because he had an average of 5000 violent episodes a week... which, the MJ article said, means an agressive violent episode every 2 minutes. Like the author of the MJ article said, use your calculators. He would have had to hae had an episode every 2 minutes round the clock without stopping to eat, sleep, use the toilet, etc.

6. Inspectors reported that the exercises were repetitive and once the kids finished they would just start the same thing over again... some students mundanely tapped out the stuff they memorized and didn't even have to think to type; they memorized the sequence of keys they had to press when. They must have done the same exercises an awful lot. I don't know if this was the students slacking and pretending they were still working or if they were actually forced to do the same thing over and over, but I think it was the latter because you couldn't ask questions at all, see #7).

7. A staff member threatened to shock a girl for sneezing and asking for a tissue.

8. Some students (not must though) are emaciated from Israel's radical vegetarian diet-- NO milk, NO meat, NO wheat. Literally just fruit, vegetables and water.

Right or wrong. Those poor kids deserve better. That JRC place sounds like hell

You should ask someone who was raped or mugged just how personal it felt...

Kalister, cool it, f**k! If you had actually read what I said properly you might have noticed that I meant that kids should have a CHOICE of where they want to live, and if they personally would rather live on the street than be PSYCHOLOGICALLY raped-- and they have no physical privacy where they are, EVER. Everry day it's like they're being raped; there are cameras in the RESTROOMS and BEDROOMS for f**k's sake! And some of them don't even know it, so they can't take the precautions to hide themselves!

I have been raped and mugged and more. Being in jail was worse than anything besides UTMB where they shock the u out yo. I am outraged and outraged again by the good parents not caring about it enough to even say "How awful" I want to protest somehow. Not go to jail and have our efforts twisted to make us all look nuts. and theywill twist everything no matter what.
So what is the option? Oprah sounds interesting

You need to stop being so emotionally vested in everything, your being way too incoherent and "knee-jerk". I am very cool, I've never been the hot one in this discussions. If I offended you, its with you, as I didn't mean it that way.




I read it correctly, you said mugging and being raped was "nothing personal". What are you doing to help them? Your a nice person, and I'm really interested in your plans, and if I can help, I will. Just make it legal.

He's right. You even attempt to kidnap any children and you will be beaten, arrested, institutionalised and enjoying some electric shocks with your fellow inmates in short order. Calm down and stop being an emotional screech.