WP tagline like saying Homosexuality is Not a Disease

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Lupin and Anbuend, I think you have both been saying some fantastic and useful things, that have been helping me get even clearer on this subject. Thank you for super posts.

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I finally got round to just starting to look at this, and it's AMAZING, well, you know, really interesting ; thank you very much for link. Going off to read all about it.
Thanks!!

One good piece on there is on blogsite "Natural Variation" at:
http://autismnaturalvariation.blogspot. ... exist.html

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Homosexuality is absolutely NOT a choice. Why the hell would someone choose it? Give me a break.

OMG. Homosexuality is not a choice.

I don't think this really has anything to do with "social control," it's just ignorance and misunderstanding. Stereotyping and "us vs. them" thinking are part of human nature, a result of being adapted by evolution for living in tribal social units. One can't just get rid of them with social engineering, you can only try to neutralize the negative effects via education and the law.

...but, hell! I'm more than glad it chose me...! !

Whilst I take your point that AS-type neurologies have evolved in the population and so therefore must have distinct survival values for the good of the community as well as the individual, what are stereotyping and the 'us v them' mentality but forms of social control? Neutralising the negative side effects of somethings that seem to be human nature is also social control, isn't it?

Thinking aloud here (haven't really formed any set thoughts on the subject), isn't what the sociologists call 'social control' an outgrowth and an elaboration of 'human nature' and its need to create comfort zones, to gain power, to be able to banish those who are a threat or diseased or incomprehensible? Most social control is subliminal, just under our consciousness.

Good point.


Another good point.



Having a "label" of AS seems to be a kind of short cut to explaining our "behaviors", I guess. What if we said, "I'm an eccentric genius. I've been diagnosed!" Maybe that would be better.

Works for me!!

To all the people saying that being gay is a choice and that they choose who they have sex with, so they could just as easily choose the opposite sex if they wanted to, well then okay...

I'd say your Autism or AS is a choice. You choose to stim (if you're a stimmer). You choose to not interact in the NT way. You choose to... Oh Hell, you get the idea. You can say that all "tendancies" are choices made on a moment by moment basis. If you really think that people are gay just because they decide, "hey, I wanna be gay" then you must also believe that people on the Autism spectrum make the same sort of choice.

So I say, go ahead, choose to be NT from now on.

Let me know how that works out for you.

Homosexuality is no more a choice than transgenderedness is. Being transgendered is no more a choice than being a heterosexual typical person is.

Picture the most disgusting person of the opposite sex you can think off. For the sake of this post, lets say its a 350 lb man, with rotting teeth, a running nose, and wheezing cough who hasn't bathed in a month. If you wanted to, could you find him the most attractive person in the world? If not, why. If people can "choose" to like members of the same sex, than why can't they choose to like a particular person of the opposite sex, regardless of what their initial impression is?

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A simple way of looking at it--we are the normal ones.

Seriously though, people really do need to accept that not everyone is going to act according to how they think they should and having so many differences among people is truly a beautiful thing....

(if that made sense).

Was thinking some more about this. About how the same problems arise when people try to say what homosexuals are "like". What ARE they like?
Why do so many people think that it is possible to say what people with Aspergers are like? As if they are describing a person in front of them.

It is very interesting, how people contribute to belief in this character. So many bringing their contributions to the assembly points. Is this an aspie thing? I do such and such; is that aspie? Aspies are .... , are you? The creature grows and grows, becomes more and more substantial, solid, less transparent.
Soon, like homosexuality before it, it will take on a life of its own. People really will think that some people ARE Aspergers, like they think some people ARE Homosexuals.

Another group of human behaviours separated off into/onto a small part of the population. Making the rest of the pop even more limited, narrow. "Boring"?!

It's weird, it's almost as if the movement is towards making each human a specialist element in society. eg: Police do what once used to be done by all, including children. Homosexuals have sex with their own sex. Aspergers will do all the solitary things, and mend computers (little joke ). The rest of the pop will concentrate on having sex and children, aswell as team work etc. Maybe we're constructing a giant brain made out of humans as cells each specialising in one, or two, functions. Whereas in the distant past most people were generalists, did a little of most things ( except what was divided by sex,)
Golly, human behaviour has got so complex, like crafts/artisanat in times gone by, that need to specialise, from birth, in a certain kind to get just that one element right/excellent. 'Scuse me ; free-associating sci-fi story head on today. Enjoying myself.

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I think Jung was onto something when he said this:-

Jung emphasized the importance of balance and harmony. He cautioned that modern humans rely too heavily on science and logic and would benefit from integrating spirituality and appreciation of the unconscious realm.


Money only really get's given to people who will stay on track of the research they said to keep to these day's, something like this these day's would need private funding

Jung's unique and broadly influential approach to psychology has emphasized understanding the psyche through exploring the worlds of dreams, art, mythology, world religion and philosophy. Although he was a theoretical psychologist and practicing clinician for most of his life, much of his life's work was spent exploring other realms, including Eastern and Western philosophy, alchemy, astrology, sociology, as well as literature and the arts. His most notable contributions include his concept of the psychological archetype, the collective unconscious, and his theory of synchronicity.


Carl Jung was an Introvert

This is an example of how introverts throughout history have helped... Bet most of this is not in the library history books.


Jung's influence can sometimes be found in more unexpected quarters. For example, Jung once treated an American patient (Rowland H.) suffering from chronic alcoholism. After working with the patient for some time, and achieving no significant progress, Jung told the man that his alcoholic condition was near to hopeless, save only the possibility of a spiritual experience. Jung noted that occasionally such experiences had been known to reform alcoholics where all else had failed.

Rowland took Jung's advice seriously and set about seeking a personal spiritual experience. He returned home to the United States and joined a Christian evangelical movement known as the Oxford Group. He also told other alcoholics what Jung had told him about the importance of a spiritual experience. One of the alcoholics he told was Ebby Thacher, a long-time friend and drinking buddy of Bill Wilson, later co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA). Thacher told Wilson about Jung's ideas. Wilson, who was finding it impossible to maintain sobriety, was impressed and sought out his own spiritual experience. The influence of Jung thus indirectly found its way into the formation of Alcoholics Anonymous, the original 12-step program, and from there into the whole 12-step recovery movement, although AA as a whole is not Jungian and Jung had no role in the formation of that approach or the 12 steps.

um... logitechdog, I'm sorry but don't understand in what way your post refers to the thread/discussion.
I know there are several possible ramifications/issues arising from my proposition that the wrongplanet tagline, "Aspergers is Not a Disease", is like saying "Homosexuality is Not a Disease", but I don't see how your ref/post/quote bears on that. Sorry.
It's possible that there's some link i'm just not getting. If so, sorry.

keeping a subject onto a one track lane = just going round in circles, & defining it as 1 thing also cause's problem's, it narrow's your field of idea's, possibilty's & thought's to been stuck into a 1 track lane. Like I seen many do here sticking everything into 1 bag like society does... The answer does not just lay in homosexuality as a disease or not...

& by the way As to me Is same as saying Introvert - Homosexuality... I think in a none linear way theyfore no one ever understand's me as It's just too hard to provide the way I think, as I talk hundreds of things that have been said & read from other places & stuck into my framework...

I would have to write a hole theory Book for someone to understand me, so if that did not help about how I am Thinking Then sorry...

As to me Is same as saying Introvert - Homosexuality I normally think inside the box & out of it...