Is lower functioning austim inheritable?

Page 6 of 6 [ 86 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

LePetitPrince
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Mar 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,464

11 Feb 2008, 6:13 pm

OregonBecky wrote:
The elephant in the room is if you become a parent, WILL YOU STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND DO THE RIGHT THING AS A PARENT?

Everyone is just talking so self-centered about choice and not the rest of the story. I hate parents. I'm done with this thread.


! !! ! please don't fight because of my posts ! !! ! =S



jonk
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 17 Nov 2007
Age: 70
Gender: Male
Posts: 329

11 Feb 2008, 6:15 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
OregonBecky wrote:
The elephant in the room is if you become a parent, WILL YOU STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND DO THE RIGHT THING AS A PARENT?

Everyone is just talking so self-centered about choice and not the rest of the story. I hate parents. I'm done with this thread.


! !! ! please don't fight because of my posts ! !! ! =S

She wasn't fighting with me. She was agreeing.

She is MAD at parents for being such gosh-darned selfish bastards!!

Jon


_________________
Say what you will about the sweet mystery of unquestioning faith. I consider a capacity for it terrifying. [Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.]


Last edited by jonk on 11 Feb 2008, 7:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.

jonk
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 17 Nov 2007
Age: 70
Gender: Male
Posts: 329

11 Feb 2008, 6:21 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
Quote:
-- an acceptance that for our very survival we must accept that having children is not and cannot any longer be a solely personal decision.

It will be personal, of course, in the obvious sense that the process is physically invasive and highly personal. But it is also nothing less than the single most important society-wide issue, as well. It literally is also about whether or not we survive -- the future of humanity, itself. And my attitude which isn't quite so extreme as, but not to far from the idea that adults have a right to consume resources only so long as they contribute to the future of their children, is congruent with this.

It's no less than quite literally whether or not we make it for another few centuries and we are at the tipping point, today, so decisions made now will determine a future that our grandchildren will no longer have any control over.

We have to start thinking bigger and not just selfishly.


At last someone got the idea! Didn't expect it to be by an older man!

Hehe. I love teaching science and I work with high school kids and teachers, as well as the fact that I've taught at the university level as an adjunct professor. I am a science reviewer on global warming issues, so I'm intimate with some of the knowledge there, as well. I hear very, very clearly what our kids are saying to us and their near depression (and "just give up, no hope" feeling) in that their parents and grandparents cannot seem to get the message and seriously engage the issues, instead bickering until it is all too late to even find the energy anymore let alone do anything.

I'm in the middle of all this and feel it deeply in my soul.

Jon


_________________
Say what you will about the sweet mystery of unquestioning faith. I consider a capacity for it terrifying. [Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.]


Zamone
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 4 Dec 2007
Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 142
Location: Victoria, Australia

11 Feb 2008, 9:20 pm

I have an older brother with VERY LFA, and a twin brother with moderate Autism. As well as that, I have AS, and two of my uncles have mild intelectual disabilities.

Just my opinion, but I think it's hereditary myself.



srriv345
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Age: 38
Gender: Female
Posts: 523

11 Feb 2008, 9:24 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
Quote:
As long as the process of creating a child involves two people, in my view those two people should be free to make their own decisions without outside influence or condemnation


These two people must be responsible and if they are aware of having serious genetic diseases they must be aware that these disease-causing genes will be spread to the next generation of humans ...contributing in more suffering.

A couple of two having Major Thalessemia would surely have childrens with Thalessemia . and they'll suffer like their parents. Is this fair? Is because they are free then they have the right to cause more suffering in humanity? They could adopt children , there are millions of poor children who need parents out there and people can love adopted children and die for them as if they are their biological children , this will be a better contribution to humanity.


Well...autism isn't really a disease by my definition, or even by the official classification. (Surely you realize this to some degree, seeing as you wrote a thoughtful post about whether AS/HFA "really" exists.) It is quite possible to live a perfectly fulfilling life with AS without even knowing about it, perhaps reproducing along the way as people with AS have always reproduced. I don't really see it as a disease like cancer, where you'll absolutely die without treatment. Even within the community of people who have 100% genetic diseases, there is a lot of thoughtful disagreement on this issue. I used to be interested in Cystic Fibrosis and learned that opinions vary widely in the CF community about having children. And CF is a fatal disease. Yet there are some people who have lived with it and "suffered" with it all their lives, who are not entirely opposed to having biological children. Call them selfish if you will, but I personally try to refrain from judging other people's personal decisions. You can't know someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes and all of that.

And again, adoption is great, but I dislike how people promote it for everyone. I personally have some serious reservations about it, and feel that in a perfect world it wouldn't even be necessary. I can't get around the fact that in many countries (and perhaps even in this one) women are pressured into giving their babies up and perhaps would prefer not to. I can't imagine how painful it would be. For that reason, I personally could not adopt unless the child was either a foster child or I knew the birth mother personally and knew that she really did want to give the child up for adoption. I personally feel that it is better to try and help third-world countries come out of their abject poverty than simply to adopt a child. That's a great thing, but it's also just a band-aid solution to a larger, more troubling problem. Your analysis of the situation is quite simplistic. It's fine that you feel that way, but realize that in a topic as complex as this one, others might come to different, equally valid conclusions.

I don't agree with jonk that our modern world greatly changes the picture about reproductive rights. Is there any evidence that disabled children are responsible for more carbon emissions than able-bodied children, for instance? Heck, if we were going to follow this line of thought, we'd just have to stop all Americans from reproducing, seeing as we're the ones consuming resources at a rate vastly disproportionate to our numbers. Of course, that wasn't what LePetit was suggesting on this thread at all.



jonk
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 17 Nov 2007
Age: 70
Gender: Male
Posts: 329

11 Feb 2008, 9:42 pm

srriv345 wrote:
I don't agree with jonk that our modern world greatly changes the picture about reproductive rights.
I didn't say it necessarily does, or that if it does it does so the same in each of our cases. But I posed to you the idea that it can mean that to some (and it does, to me.) Which is why I said we probably part company there. My point about childrens' rights helps make the potential conflicts between social and personal clearer, anyway. I'm not imposing my view on you. I just think a century has added a lot of knowledge and this can cause new condensations in the current world context. No lines drawn are ever absolute and are always changing as new knowledge arrives and circumstances evolve.

We'll have to leave it there, though.

Jon


_________________
Say what you will about the sweet mystery of unquestioning faith. I consider a capacity for it terrifying. [Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.]