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anbuend
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23 Sep 2008, 1:18 pm

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The difference being that the closer to the Autie end you get, the more 'reason' there is for that frustration. Obviously because Auties tend to be blinder and less objective than Aspies.


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Apart from that, there are fewer mitigators for those towards the Autie end - like humour and the insight required for self-mockery ... and not taking yourself too seriously.


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Neither of those sound like accurate statements. What I've found about those 'aspies' who think they're 'more objective', is that they actually are not. They just decide their viewpoint is objective and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Frequently they are incredibly, incredibly subjective, so much so that they view their subjective view as totally objective, simply because it is different from the usual viewpoint. Often they repeat, for instance, long-held stereotypes about various sorts of people, as fact, and call that 'objective' thinking.

And I find that perspective quite annoying to deal with.

The idea that 'auties' lack a sense of humor, or the ability to laugh at ourselves, is false also. (Although I am aware that saying this opens me up to accusations of not being able to laugh at myself. That is, however, circular.) Interestingly, it has been mostly 'aspies' who take my attempts to laugh at myself too seriously, and believe that I am doing something horrible or stupid by making jokes about my own disability.

I am told I am quite insightful, I am also told I am quite 'autie'. (I rely on other people's viewpoints for the 'insightful' part, because I don't think that a person can be a good judge about that for themselves.) And some of the autistic people I know with the best senses of humor are not 'aspies' (some are, too), nor are some considered 'high functioning'.

I think people who make such generalizations ought to get out more (figuratively anyway -- meet more people classified as non-AS autistic before making such generalizations), and ought to learn to actually look at people and what they are truly doing, rather than look at people and import a huge clump of stereotypes and generalizations on top of them that obscure your view of them. I can't count, for instance, the number of people I have known, who have reported running into autism 'experts' who can't see their sense of humor because they've already been taught autistic people don't have one, so all their jokes must be just "symptoms of autism" and not jokes (I am pretty sure that the guy who referred to the hole in his sock as a "temporary loss of knitting" was making a joke, but I don't at all doubt that the non-autistic people who just decided this was an autistic language usage missed the joke entirely).


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23 Sep 2008, 1:28 pm

Judging by this site alone, I agree wholeheartedly with Anbuend's last post. Of those that call themselves "aspies" and those that call themselves "auties" the "auties" would appear, from my outsider perspective, to have less of a vested ego-interest in making their point and/or winning a war of words.

This is just my experience as of the past couple of months, though. And just a small sample of the population, which may not be representative of the population-at-large.

But it is enough, in my mind, to disprove Member Six's generalizations.



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23 Sep 2008, 7:39 pm

I debated this just with my Nt friend who said that the social skills is what I still have to work on.

ie. When she put on a bit of weight and tell me off hand that she feels or looks pregnant, to which I replied "you have always looked pregnant".

Or I said once "your face looks like a road map" (she has many wrinkles).

I believe I am only telling the truth and I cannot see why I should put it in a different way.

Do we lack social skills or do they (NTs) portray social lies?


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23 Sep 2008, 7:49 pm

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This is something unheard of in the NT. I have never in my life heard of one NT EVER thinking they were smarter than any other NT. Only the Aspie tends to do this. What NT thinks they are smarter than everyone else? There aren't very many smug, cocky NTs out there, that's for certain. Good point
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What a load of crap...Meritocracies don't exist???


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23 Sep 2008, 7:56 pm

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a mere Picasso


Excuse me??? Where do you judge that Pollock was superior to Picasso??

I have the impression you are not much of an Aspie the way you judge them IMO


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23 Sep 2008, 8:35 pm

Loborojo wrote:
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a mere Picasso


Excuse me??? Where do you judge that Pollock was suprior to Picasso??

I have the impression you are not much of an Aspie the way you judge them IMO


My attempt at irony- haha