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01 Dec 2008, 12:59 pm

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Oh yes, I think so:

- She often understood things very literally.

- She didn't care about if her clothes were "socially acceptable".

- She wasn't great at understanding social cues (and indeed she didn't act like she did in order to be rude, because she'd often regret afterwards).

- She was kind of a loner, living together with two animals (no cats though - and she did have 2 very good friends).

- She disliked authorities.

- She had her own kind of logic and tended to think out of the box (all the time, actually).

- (She chews her hair, a kind of stim, but an NT could do that too, of course)

- She does everything her own way (even if others / NTs may think it's more troublesome).

- She sleeps with her head under her blanket and the feet on her pillow (do we see a sensory issue thing here?? - some aspies like to have something over their head eg. while sleeping, I myself can't sleep without the head under the quilt, but I do have the head on my pillow).

There might be more things. :

I agree that Pippi Longstocking is an Asperger archetype -- of the female variety. Remember, females don't present the same way men do.

Her not being a "little professor" isn't necessarily the absence of a trait given she had precocious skills of other types. It was implicit in the presentation of the story that we didn't see Pippi Longstocking from an introspective perspective, but always from the outside as if she were a phenomenon of nature. There was never an intricate psychodrama story given for why she was the way she was. Looking from the outside you would just see the skills she had and she could have obtained them in any number of ways, including having special interests she spent all her time on. That in itself is kind of Asperger -- you know them, because you come across them in life, but you don't know them well.

Also, female Aspergers can be more socially capable than Asperger males. So her being idiosyncratic and eccentric is enough for her social asynchrony to be clearly pathological -- i.e. not just an affectation. Her social asynchrony was deep and fundamental enough that it was a a part of her makeup.

Finally, her advanced physical skills are not unlike what I have developed. Asperger females can be tomboys, and when you take the Asperger female tomboy into physical training, the hyper sensorimotor functioning can become the basis for abnormally high physical performance.


well, I'm still not convinced, but maybe I should re-read it... you have a strong case going on here :wink:


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01 Dec 2008, 2:03 pm

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And that one guy from Law & order in "Probability" but I forgot what his name.


I'm thinking Vincent Di'nofrio's character. Can't remember his name. Is the show Law and Order CI?


Goren is his name - I was thinking the same thing

Also what about Monk from the show or would he just be OCD

Finally, there was a Criminal Intent show with a guy with AS in it. It was titled Probability and was Season 2 Episode 14. He was an accountant and had just about every symptom. He was even obsessed with series of fives. The character's name was Wally Stevens.



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01 Dec 2008, 2:05 pm

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Tony Hill from "Wire in the Blood"
Bones from "Bones" (and the lab guy from the same show, whatever his name was)
Grissom from CSI
possibly Cristina Yang from "Grey's Anatomy"


I think you mean Zack the intern turned employee. I agree totally there. He's in jail now in the show.



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01 Dec 2008, 2:07 pm

gb2002 wrote:
anna-banana wrote:
Tony Hill from "Wire in the Blood"
Bones from "Bones" (and the lab guy from the same show, whatever his name was)
Grissom from CSI
possibly Cristina Yang from "Grey's Anatomy"


I think you mean Zack the intern turned employee. I agree totally there. He's in jail now in the show.


why did you have to say that? :( I'm not that far in the show!


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01 Dec 2008, 2:08 pm

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Gotta agree w/Edward Scissorhands.

Identified so strongly. Can't even watch the thing now. Great film, but just can't watch it.


Painful for me, too.



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01 Dec 2008, 2:10 pm

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Prof. Henry Higgins? (Pygmalion/My Fair Lady)


I can see that. He was somewhat obsessive and then also clueless when it came to feelings.



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01 Dec 2008, 2:15 pm

gb2002 wrote:
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Prof. Henry Higgins? (Pygmalion/My Fair Lady)


I can see that. He was somewhat obsessive and then also clueless when it came to feelings.


That's a regular professor. The Asperger ones are REALLY different...



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01 Dec 2008, 2:17 pm

anna-banana wrote:
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Tony Hill from "Wire in the Blood"
Bones from "Bones" (and the lab guy from the same show, whatever his name was)
Grissom from CSI
possibly Cristina Yang from "Grey's Anatomy"


I think you mean Zack the intern turned employee. I agree totally there. He's in jail now in the show.


why did you have to say that? :( I'm not that far in the show!


Oops sorry was trying not to ruin it but failed. Anyway at least I didn't tell you why. :) You will never and I mean never believe it.



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01 Dec 2008, 2:19 pm

ephemerella wrote:
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Prof. Henry Higgins? (Pygmalion/My Fair Lady)


I can see that. He was somewhat obsessive and then also clueless when it came to feelings.


That's a regular professor. The Asperger ones are REALLY different...


Good point. :)



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01 Dec 2008, 2:44 pm

I think Pippi had some little professor qualities. I learned the capital of Portugal because she had a line where she said it.



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01 Dec 2008, 4:16 pm

Grissom must be an Aspie. I relate to him far too well for him not to be. He's got his interest, entomology, is very meticulous, is clueless about relationships and social interactions from any standpoint other than scientifically, and he has few friends. He lives for his job. Sometimes that makes me sad. I would spend time with Grissom... unless he was overwhelmed with people, then I'd give him some space... and a butterfly collection.



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01 Dec 2008, 4:50 pm

How about the main character in the film "Pi"? (I forgot the character name...sorry).

I also related to Edward Scissorhands when I saw it; that was a long time ago, and before I knew anything about Asperger´s Syndrome. I was thinking of re-watching it.

I liked Pippi Longstocking as well when I was a child, but I don´t remember it enough to be able to say if I think she´s an Aspie or not. I just thought she had a fun a life. Come to think of it, I have trouble finding fictional female characters with AS; I just can´t seem to think of any.


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01 Dec 2008, 4:58 pm

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I think Pippi had some little professor qualities. I learned the capital of Portugal because she had a line where she said it.


Pippi rocks. There are so few positive, strong role models that show the Asperger traits as empowered. We're not just "special" in some charitable sense!! !



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01 Dec 2008, 5:24 pm

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Come to think of it, I have trouble finding fictional female characters with AS; I just can´t seem to think of any.


You had a related thread about female presentation, I think. I posted on that female presentation thread that I think that female presentation of Asperger syndrome is really neglected area of research. IMO, the classic witch, the seer/oracle and the incubus/succubus demon, are all female Asperger archetypes, demonized. Here's a clip from that thread:

"In my humble opinion, the whole pathology of Asperger (sorry, guys) is mythicized for men. If you take the basic mechanism for Asperger syndrome (and HFA), and from there project it onto the space of female cognitive functioning, you will find that there are many female phenotypes and archetypes that are clearly Asperger but don't fit into the mold created for the male Asperger definition (yet). That includes:

(1) Classic Witch (the weird antisocial know-it-all who lives at the edge of the village and scares all the kids)
(2) The Oracle (the seemingly simple woman who erupts in painful truths and quite accurate predictions of the things that are going to happen if you don't stop what you are doing, King of Thebes)
(3) Incubus, Succubus, Devil's Whore (The hypersensual, intense woman who attracts men but is socially defenseless. She gets arrested for accusing the Village Elder for raping her and fathering her baby that looks like him, whereupon he accuses her of being an Incubus and stealing his sperm by magic, and she gets burned at the stake with no one to stick up for her)."

So Cassandra, out of classical Greek mythology, would be an Asperger female character. She was a student of Apollo, who rejected his advances. He punished her by giving her the gift of foresight but then cursed her with the condition that no one will ever believe her predictions. So Cassandra was a Seer with no credibility. She tells people what's going on and what's going to happen and no one listens. That and the fact that her mentorship relationship was a failure and curse, is very Asperger.

I think that everywhere in classical or mythological or fairy tale literature where you have intellectual female, like Cassandra, half the time she has Asperger traits.

But it doesn't seem to make sense to list them here, because there hasn't been much work done on female Asperger traits and so many people wouldn't recognize the Witch archetypes as Asperger models. If I said that I think that, say the Witch of Narnia is an Asperger character, because she has wild talents, but no friends and people fear/dislike her, that doesn't make sense because then you would have to explain that stories are always written so that women like that (wild talents but no friends) are hated for a reason: the stories are written so that all such talented, isolated women do things that make them deserve to be attacked and killed (burned at the stake). I.e. everywhere a woman of that type appears in stories, she's some kind of evil or demon, and deserves to be hated and feared. So I'd say all Witch characters, if the stories were rewritten so that the Witches weren't demonized.



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01 Dec 2008, 6:46 pm

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Tony Stark (IRONMAN)


Sounds cool, what reasons though?

Intelligence, aloofness, spatial reasoning capabilities, neediness of peppers help, etc



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01 Dec 2008, 6:46 pm

Heath Ledger's Joker?