How accurate is the Aspie Quiz?
02 Jan 2009, 7:40 pm
RDOS, who is a member of WP is constantly answering the hunting question ...
(see http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt80344.html for entire thread)
rdos wrote:
Here is what it says about Aspie hunting:
"This group contains passive hunting traits. One part of the traits is related to prefered habitats (e.h. slowly flowing water; caves; woods; liking mist or fog; preferring temperate landscapes over tropical). Another part seems to be close-contact hunting traits (e.g. jumping over things; climbing; chasing animals; biting; enjoying spinning in cicles; strong grip; strong hands; physical endurance; enjoying rodeo riders). Some other traits are related to sneaking (e.g. sneaking through the woods; sneaking up on animals; walking on toes) and general hunting tactics (e.g. mimicking animal sounds; digging; throwing small things; building traps; fascination for fire; sniffing)."
And here is what it says about NT hunting:
"The traits in this group are related to cooperative hunting. These traits are often identified as dysfunctions that are closely related to Dyslexia and Dyscalculia. Typical traits are recollections of environmental information (e.g. positions of things; scores in games; order of words, letters and digits; map reading) and passing on information to others (e.g. passing on messages; knowing left from right; dates and times of events; remembering appointments and events; reading clocks and calendars; carry over information between contexts). Other traits are related to trading and exchange with others (e.g. calculating change from a purchase; knowing what to bring to appointments; remembering sequences of past events; remembering formulas; filling out forms; spelling)."
So, people that score low on the NT hunting group are likely to be diagnosable with Dyslexia or Dyscalculia, while there is no DSM label for Aspie-hunting.
"This group contains passive hunting traits. One part of the traits is related to prefered habitats (e.h. slowly flowing water; caves; woods; liking mist or fog; preferring temperate landscapes over tropical). Another part seems to be close-contact hunting traits (e.g. jumping over things; climbing; chasing animals; biting; enjoying spinning in cicles; strong grip; strong hands; physical endurance; enjoying rodeo riders). Some other traits are related to sneaking (e.g. sneaking through the woods; sneaking up on animals; walking on toes) and general hunting tactics (e.g. mimicking animal sounds; digging; throwing small things; building traps; fascination for fire; sniffing)."
And here is what it says about NT hunting:
"The traits in this group are related to cooperative hunting. These traits are often identified as dysfunctions that are closely related to Dyslexia and Dyscalculia. Typical traits are recollections of environmental information (e.g. positions of things; scores in games; order of words, letters and digits; map reading) and passing on information to others (e.g. passing on messages; knowing left from right; dates and times of events; remembering appointments and events; reading clocks and calendars; carry over information between contexts). Other traits are related to trading and exchange with others (e.g. calculating change from a purchase; knowing what to bring to appointments; remembering sequences of past events; remembering formulas; filling out forms; spelling)."
So, people that score low on the NT hunting group are likely to be diagnosable with Dyslexia or Dyscalculia, while there is no DSM label for Aspie-hunting.
02 Jan 2009, 8:49 pm
gbollard wrote:
RDOS, who is a member of WP is constantly answering the hunting question ...
(see http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt80344.html for entire thread)
(see http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt80344.html for entire thread)
rdos wrote:
Here is what it says about Aspie hunting:
"This group contains passive hunting traits. One part of the traits is related to prefered habitats (e.h. slowly flowing water; caves; woods; liking mist or fog; preferring temperate landscapes over tropical). Another part seems to be close-contact hunting traits (e.g. jumping over things; climbing; chasing animals; biting; enjoying spinning in cicles; strong grip; strong hands; physical endurance; enjoying rodeo riders). Some other traits are related to sneaking (e.g. sneaking through the woods; sneaking up on animals; walking on toes) and general hunting tactics (e.g. mimicking animal sounds; digging; throwing small things; building traps; fascination for fire; sniffing)."
And here is what it says about NT hunting:
"The traits in this group are related to cooperative hunting. These traits are often identified as dysfunctions that are closely related to Dyslexia and Dyscalculia. Typical traits are recollections of environmental information (e.g. positions of things; scores in games; order of words, letters and digits; map reading) and passing on information to others (e.g. passing on messages; knowing left from right; dates and times of events; remembering appointments and events; reading clocks and calendars; carry over information between contexts). Other traits are related to trading and exchange with others (e.g. calculating change from a purchase; knowing what to bring to appointments; remembering sequences of past events; remembering formulas; filling out forms; spelling)."
So, people that score low on the NT hunting group are likely to be diagnosable with Dyslexia or Dyscalculia, while there is no DSM label for Aspie-hunting.
"This group contains passive hunting traits. One part of the traits is related to prefered habitats (e.h. slowly flowing water; caves; woods; liking mist or fog; preferring temperate landscapes over tropical). Another part seems to be close-contact hunting traits (e.g. jumping over things; climbing; chasing animals; biting; enjoying spinning in cicles; strong grip; strong hands; physical endurance; enjoying rodeo riders). Some other traits are related to sneaking (e.g. sneaking through the woods; sneaking up on animals; walking on toes) and general hunting tactics (e.g. mimicking animal sounds; digging; throwing small things; building traps; fascination for fire; sniffing)."
And here is what it says about NT hunting:
"The traits in this group are related to cooperative hunting. These traits are often identified as dysfunctions that are closely related to Dyslexia and Dyscalculia. Typical traits are recollections of environmental information (e.g. positions of things; scores in games; order of words, letters and digits; map reading) and passing on information to others (e.g. passing on messages; knowing left from right; dates and times of events; remembering appointments and events; reading clocks and calendars; carry over information between contexts). Other traits are related to trading and exchange with others (e.g. calculating change from a purchase; knowing what to bring to appointments; remembering sequences of past events; remembering formulas; filling out forms; spelling)."
So, people that score low on the NT hunting group are likely to be diagnosable with Dyslexia or Dyscalculia, while there is no DSM label for Aspie-hunting.
And if you shave a Sasquatch after midnight green winged hula dancers sing karaoke under Sigmund Freud's dachshund.
02 Jan 2009, 10:01 pm
Sora wrote:
rdos wrote:
Sora wrote:
They're over-empathic,
Irrelevant.
? Not in the DSM-IV-TR as part of criteria A1 and A4, though more directly mentioned in the ICD-10:
ICD-10 wrote:
These [qualitative impairments in reciprocal social interaction] take the form of an inadequate appreciation of socio-emotional cues, as shown by a lack of responses to other people's emotions and/or a lack of modulation of behaviour according to social context;
and even more so:
ICD-10 wrote:
lack of emotional response to other people's verbal and nonverbal overtures;
If you say irrelevant, I'll take your word and assume it means 'entirely irrelevant in regards to everything including ASDs'?
Sora, I COULD consider myself empathetic, as I can understand how some people feel, why they feel, and maybe how they'll act. I DO match the ICD-10 criteria you list though. I certainly wish I didn't. It would be the ONE thing I would REALLY want to change.
Sora wrote:
rdos wrote:
Sora wrote:
have relationships that are above their developmental level in quality and complexity,
Not a criteria of AS either.
I am confused as to irrelevant to what?
Because it is a criterion of the DSM-IV-TR:
DSM-IV-TR wrote:
failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
None in the ICD-10 that I know of, that is correct.
AGAIN, subtle differences in the two criteria make both possible! As a kid, I had relationships that were WAY above my "peers" developmental level in quality and complexity. By definition, that means my "peers" did NOT have relationships with me.
Sora wrote:
rdos wrote:
Sora wrote:
No restrictive and narrow interests, no repetitive behaviours and mannerisms.
That will also give low Aspie score and high NT score.
That was what I was talking about.
He was agreeing with you! He basically meant he had it covered.
Sora wrote:
rdos wrote:
Sora wrote:
No impairment.
Irrelevant. Aspie-quiz doesn't measure impairment.
The DSM-IV-TR and ICD-10 demand an impairment of which I was talking about, obviously.
I'm sure HE realizes that ALSO, but HOW do you measure impairment? Heck, I thought about this a lot, and I am FAR more impaired than I originally considered. Socially, certain interpretations, some reflexes/talents, etc... I have a lot of great STRENGTHS, but some weaknesses HAVE made me a bit of a outcast, etc... DEFINITELY an impairment.
Sora wrote:
rdos, your quiz is good, no doubt. Especially compared to the AQ test and other ASD related questionnaires for teenagers and adults (if there are any, in other countries maybe). It asks for traits that are often associated with AS unlike the unfitting questionnaires that are currently in use.
But as a stand-alone, it is a quiz that without the specification what is meant by the questions and why a person answers positively to them and whether they should or should not have answered that way (e.g. confused by their own behaviour or the environment) cannot diagnose a person or always correctly point to that their traits are autistic. That's what I was talking about for the last few posts.
And I really stand by that, because I'm perfectly able to find various professionals who will diagnose and undiagnose people with various mental disorders and neurological conditions based on that they do not implore the overall condition (or lack thereof) and the reasons that a person has for behaving the way they do.
There is no simple answer to what traits are AS. Of course, if you read the diagnostic manual, it will tell you (probable) AS-traits, but that is an artificial definition.
I wasn't talking about what AS is or what it isn't in real, I was talking about what traits DeLoreanDude was talking. That is a difference.
But as a stand-alone, it is a quiz that without the specification what is meant by the questions and why a person answers positively to them and whether they should or should not have answered that way (e.g. confused by their own behaviour or the environment) cannot diagnose a person or always correctly point to that their traits are autistic. That's what I was talking about for the last few posts.
And I really stand by that, because I'm perfectly able to find various professionals who will diagnose and undiagnose people with various mental disorders and neurological conditions based on that they do not implore the overall condition (or lack thereof) and the reasons that a person has for behaving the way they do.
rdos wrote:
Sora wrote:
But what traits? That is what I've been asking. Do those with AS have red noses and easily blush? Just joking, but that's what I am talking about. Not how much traits they have (10, 20 or zero), but what traits are AS.
There is no simple answer to what traits are AS. Of course, if you read the diagnostic manual, it will tell you (probable) AS-traits, but that is an artificial definition.
I wasn't talking about what AS is or what it isn't in real, I was talking about what traits DeLoreanDude was talking. That is a difference.
Again, you two are agreeing.
Sora wrote:
rdos wrote:
Sora wrote:
My experiences and knowledge tell me AS and ASDs are different.
My experience tells me otherwise. It is not possible to separate AS from ASDs, nor ASDs from ADHD, social phobia and many other DSM diagnosis.
Wait a moment. I was referring to the sentence I wrote before that. Different from that, not that AS and autism are different. Your answer doesn't give a hint on whether you understood it like that or the way I meant it.
Anyway, that's the point. Opinions, especially those based on personal experience, do not need to be the same. Cannot be, seeing how we're all so different even if we come under the header of autism.
AS DOES in many ways match even the lowest of ASDs! It is almost like two computers. Both have the SAME scanners, SAME printers, SAME appearance, SAME disk drives, but one(the LFA one) has SLOW memory with fewer wait states than needed, an underpowered CPU, and fewer programs. The other(the AS one) has FAST memory with enough wait states, a good CPU, and more programs.
The LFA one may be erratic, and able to do little. The AS one is more reliable and able to do more.
An NT system, in this example, would be more like the AS one with a myopic scanner, lower quality audio, poorer printer, and a few different programs with a different processor.
03 Jan 2009, 2:49 pm
gbollard wrote:
RDOS, who is a member of WP is constantly answering the hunting question ...
(see http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt80344.html for entire thread)
(see http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt80344.html for entire thread)
rdos wrote:
Here is what it says about Aspie hunting:
"This group contains passive hunting traits. One part of the traits is related to prefered habitats (e.h. slowly flowing water; caves; woods; liking mist or fog; preferring temperate landscapes over tropical). Another part seems to be close-contact hunting traits (e.g. jumping over things; climbing; chasing animals; biting; enjoying spinning in cicles; strong grip; strong hands; physical endurance; enjoying rodeo riders). Some other traits are related to sneaking (e.g. sneaking through the woods; sneaking up on animals; walking on toes) and general hunting tactics (e.g. mimicking animal sounds; digging; throwing small things; building traps; fascination for fire; sniffing)."
And here is what it says about NT hunting:
"The traits in this group are related to cooperative hunting. These traits are often identified as dysfunctions that are closely related to Dyslexia and Dyscalculia. Typical traits are recollections of environmental information (e.g. positions of things; scores in games; order of words, letters and digits; map reading) and passing on information to others (e.g. passing on messages; knowing left from right; dates and times of events; remembering appointments and events; reading clocks and calendars; carry over information between contexts). Other traits are related to trading and exchange with others (e.g. calculating change from a purchase; knowing what to bring to appointments; remembering sequences of past events; remembering formulas; filling out forms; spelling)."
So, people that score low on the NT hunting group are likely to be diagnosable with Dyslexia or Dyscalculia, while there is no DSM label for Aspie-hunting.
"This group contains passive hunting traits. One part of the traits is related to prefered habitats (e.h. slowly flowing water; caves; woods; liking mist or fog; preferring temperate landscapes over tropical). Another part seems to be close-contact hunting traits (e.g. jumping over things; climbing; chasing animals; biting; enjoying spinning in cicles; strong grip; strong hands; physical endurance; enjoying rodeo riders). Some other traits are related to sneaking (e.g. sneaking through the woods; sneaking up on animals; walking on toes) and general hunting tactics (e.g. mimicking animal sounds; digging; throwing small things; building traps; fascination for fire; sniffing)."
And here is what it says about NT hunting:
"The traits in this group are related to cooperative hunting. These traits are often identified as dysfunctions that are closely related to Dyslexia and Dyscalculia. Typical traits are recollections of environmental information (e.g. positions of things; scores in games; order of words, letters and digits; map reading) and passing on information to others (e.g. passing on messages; knowing left from right; dates and times of events; remembering appointments and events; reading clocks and calendars; carry over information between contexts). Other traits are related to trading and exchange with others (e.g. calculating change from a purchase; knowing what to bring to appointments; remembering sequences of past events; remembering formulas; filling out forms; spelling)."
So, people that score low on the NT hunting group are likely to be diagnosable with Dyslexia or Dyscalculia, while there is no DSM label for Aspie-hunting.
Thanks for that info! Sorry if it was a repeat, I´m still relatively new here.
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03 Jan 2009, 6:30 pm
Morgana wrote:
for that info! Sorry if it was a repeat, I´m still relatively new here.
No problem, I find it quite difficult to search WrongPlanet anyway... so I re-ask a lot of old questions. I used Google to find that thread on WP.
04 Jan 2009, 11:13 am
2ukenkerl wrote:
AGAIN, subtle differences in the two criteria make both possible! As a kid, I had relationships that were WAY above my "peers" developm
Yes and no. It would seem so, I agree! But you have to have abilities of your developmental level that are need to form relationships to be able to have relationships beyond your developmental level.
A most basic example is that if you cannot ask another child what it wants to play because you are not cooperative but. At the same time, you can play wonderfully with adults. You still fulfil that criterion, because it doesn't count that older people build a bridge for you (figuratively speaking).
You must be able to have a relationship at your developmental level, theoretically - even if you're beyond such with skills and interest already. You must show that you are capable of these skills as is age-appropriate or that they have further developed because you're an early bloomer or talented.
If you could leave basic social abilities out and develop more complex abilities instead, it would be as if it were possible to not know a word of French, know no grammar, but speak the language perfectly.
2ukenkerl wrote:
I'm sure HE realizes that ALSO, but HOW do you measure impairment? Heck, I thought about this a lot, and I am FAR more impaired than I originally considered. Socially, certain interpretations, some reflexes/talents, etc... I have a lot of great STRENGTHS, but some weaknesses HAVE made me a bit of a outcast, etc... DEFINITELY an impairment.
I'm going by the strictly official here, I think. Impairment is either a loss or lack of physical, psychological or mental functions that are typical for that age group and place. When it comes to children and teenagers, it's also often taken into account whether that lack or loss of ability will hinder them to develop typically.
What's typical? I think that's what the law in each county says and what is currently agreed upon by most (professionals) to be typical.
It's an ever changing definition. There's advantages and disadvantage to that definition too.
Measure impairment - I think it's impossible. That would be like measuring misery or happiness. By how much percent is this person happy and by how much percent is that person sad? It's strictly about whether an impairment is there or not.
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