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22 Jan 2009, 8:21 pm

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Developing a phobia to dogs or cats, sounds like the ideal punishment. :twisted:

I seriously hope this was a joke.

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22 Jan 2009, 8:22 pm

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Sadly you missed WP alienating yet another person who simply wanted help.

By the same ringleaders, no less.

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22 Jan 2009, 8:27 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Oh, so you are abusing your child and this is supposed to keep him from abusing the dog? This is disgusting! You don't deserve kids if you are going to do that any more than someone deserves a dog that treats it like that! You are no better! In fact you are much worse because you are supposed to be an adult. You should be ashamed.

I'm sure he's not kicking him in the face or anything

It's might not even be a big deal, just a slightly painful reminder not to kick the dog.

I got slapped, spanked, shoved, etc. I'm okay, and honestly? I did learn a lot from it.

As did I, when I was slapped, spanked, etc. I'm a better person for it.

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22 Jan 2009, 8:28 pm

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What did I miss? (OP "edited" the original post)

Sadly you missed WP alienating yet another person who simply wanted help.

And I regret any part I might have played in that. I do hope the OP will just ignore what this thread has become and understand that some of us [I can only speak for myself here] were genuinely trying to help, however rude or hurtful our words might have [unintentionally] seemed.

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22 Jan 2009, 8:29 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

If we all had higher standards maybe animal abuse wouldn't happen in the first place? You should treat everyone with kindness, respect, and love, human or animal.

Agreed, but no one is born with this understanding.

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22 Jan 2009, 8:37 pm

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Bodhi wrote:

I got slapped, spanked, shoved, etc. I'm okay, and honestly? I did learn a lot from it.

As did I, when I was slapped, spanked, etc. I'm a better person for it.

I think we can all agree that the effects of corporal punishment are not always internalized the same way by each and every child. Where one child may "learn" from a spanking, another will simply fear the parent and miss the point of the punishment.
As a survivor of extreme physical and emotional abuse I can say from experience that the messages are not always clear.

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22 Jan 2009, 8:38 pm

Intentionally inflicting pain on others belongs in BDSM dungeons only. In that scene, all activity involving pain is safe and consensual, with strict rules. Since neither a 3-year-old kid not a cat are capable of knowing the boundaries of pain, they need to be kept away from each other until the kid learns that intentionally inflicting pain is wrong. Once he turns 18, he can look up an address of one of those dungeons, and have at it.

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22 Jan 2009, 8:41 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

Bodhi wrote:

I got slapped, spanked, shoved, etc. I'm okay, and honestly? I did learn a lot from it.

As did I, when I was slapped, spanked, etc. I'm a better person for it.

Well of course. After I turned 16, all my mom had to do (most of the time) was raise her hand and I'd instantly try to defend myself/cover my face. The hitting was also internalized to an extent.

However, I think the point of physically punishing your kid isn't to teach the kid a lesson about what he did, but to tell him that if you do something stupid, there are consequences. Sometimes, it will feel like life is f*****g you over. Learn from it.

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22 Jan 2009, 8:43 pm

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Intentionally inflicting pain on others belongs in BDSM dungeons only. In that scene, all activity involving pain is safe and consensual, with strict rules. Since neither a 3-year-old kid not a cat are capable of following BDSM etiquette, they need to be kept away from each other until the kid learns that intentionally inflicting pain is wrong. Once he turns 18, he can look up an address of one of those dungeons, and have at it.

How sick does your mind have to be to bring BDSM into the same discussion as a 3-year old child and a cat?
Do the world a favor: Don't have kids.

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22 Jan 2009, 8:46 pm

Bodhi wrote:

Well of course. After I turned 16, all my mom had to do (most of the time) was raise her hand and I'd instantly try to defend myself/cover my face. The hitting was also internalized to an extent.

I'm sorry to "hear" that. Flinching in the manner you describe is a text-book reaction to child abuse.

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22 Jan 2009, 8:55 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:

The f u c k-tards will never pass up an opportunity to pass judgement on another person so long as they can walk away feeling better about themselves.

NocturnalQuilter wrote:

How sick does your mind have to be to bring BDSM into the same discussion as a 3-year old child and a cat?
Do the world a favor: Don't have kids.

Goodnight...

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22 Jan 2009, 9:03 pm

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:lol:
Goodnight...

I'm glad you find this so amusing, chuckles. :roll:

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22 Jan 2009, 9:08 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:

How sick does your mind have to be to bring BDSM into the same discussion as a 3-year old child and a cat?
Do the world a favor: Don't have kids.

I think it might have sounded worse than I thought... sorry. I meant that kids and cats don't know the boundaries of what hurts and what doesn't. So it's still best to keep them away from each other. But I think the concept of a 3-year-old kid cutting a cat's ears off is far more sickening. I would be less appalled if the kid tried to give the cat a bath and ended up drowning it, because that would be carelessness, not cruelty. But in this case, it's sickening beyond belief. As for my BDSM comparisons, I was trying to inject some dark humor into a thread that's turned into chaos.

And I'm not planning to have kids, so rest assured.

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22 Jan 2009, 9:12 pm

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gramirez wrote:

What did I miss? (OP "edited" the original post)

Sadly you missed WP alienating yet another person who simply wanted help.

Sounds fun!

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22 Jan 2009, 9:22 pm

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I think it might have sounded worse than I thought... sorry. I meant that kids and cats don't always know the boundaries of what hurts and what doesn't. But it's still best to keep them away from each other. But I think the concept of a 3-year-old kid cutting a cat's ears off is far more sickening. I would be less appalled if the kid tried to give the cat a bath, and ended up drowning it (because that would be carelessness, not cruelty). But in this case, it's sick beyond belief. As for by BDSM comparisons, I was trying to inject some dark humor into a thread that's turning into chaos.

And I'm not planning to have kids, so rest assured.

Thanks for taking the time to clarify a bit.
I agree that a child doesn't (can't) always know which bounderies can be tested, and which ones cannot. I think the OPs experience is a very good example of that. It got me to thinking: By three I imagine I already had a haircut or two and would've reasonably equated scissors with cutting hair. Since cats have hairy ears (some are VERY hairy) I don't think it's a stretch at all for a child to connect those dots- scissors cut hair, kitty has hair all over, I wanna cut kitty's hair! (When I was a kid my grandparents had a cat with the longest white hair coming out of it's ears.)

I do think it's a stretch for anyone to assume anything other than this example being a innocent mistake. Get back to me when the child is 7 or 8 and still going after the family pet with a garden shears. Then we can discuss the issues of child psychology. Until then we (the collective we) got nothing to go on.

On another note, imagine the initial terror the OP must've felt and the confusion her child got from the whole experience. Yet, she came here to solicit feedback and was essentially told two things: A) your child will grow up to be a serial killer and B) you're a bad parent. That is why I raised hackles so quickly and for that I apologize.

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22 Jan 2009, 9:22 pm

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