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13 Jun 2010, 9:35 am

Question for NT's:

Something dawned on me, looking at a Warhammer 40k novel (for those who dont know, it's a sci-fi war series based in a future dark age): For those of you that read horror stories, do you actually get a sense of fear, spine tingle, goosebumps, etc.? I just realized that I've had that (read Frankenstein by Shelly, and a few others).

For me, i guess im too busy trying to figure out what the location looks like to care about it.



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13 Jun 2010, 11:09 am

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Question for NT's:

Something dawned on me, looking at a Warhammer 40k novel (for those who dont know, it's a sci-fi war series based in a future dark age): For those of you that read horror stories, do you actually get a sense of fear, spine tingle, goosebumps, etc.? I just realized that I've had that (read Frankenstein by Shelly, and a few others).

For me, i guess im too busy trying to figure out what the location looks like to care about it.


I can't speak for everybody, and I'm not exactly NT myself, but for this kind of thing I think my neurology is pretty "typical."

My first grade teacher had us close our eyes and visualize what we were reading about. I practiced her method pretty studiously and apparently have a knack for it, and as a result experience what I read pretty thoroughly. I see, hear and smell what's going on in the story, most of the time. I take great pleasure in reading fiction and find it far better than watching TV or movies.

I'm not actually a huge fan of horror. My husband loves it. The only thing in that genre that I'll willingly read is by these are those Pedergast books. He's an albino detective, very quirky. There is a ton of history and science woven into each book which I really like. I will feel fear and have had actual goosebumps. I don't think everybody does to the extent I do. There is a name for that ability to enter into the story the way I do, but I forget what it is.

I don't think everybody does. My husband tends to giggle a lot when he's reading...oh, what's his name who did Call of Kthulu...The scarier it is the funnier he thinks it is. He also likes dreams where he dies. He's got ADHD and dyslexia, but I think some folks are just weird without a dx and he's got that kind of weirdness too...which is part of why I love him so much.

I think some people do read scary stuff because they enjoy being scared. I don't, but I still like those Pendergast books. They scare me, but there are other things in them that I like a lot. I wouldn't read them just to be scared. Heck, I even skim the fight scenes in LOR and stuff like that, which is my favorite genre.



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13 Jun 2010, 12:27 pm

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But what do you see when you read someone's eyes? Is it just a poetic way of saying you look at the facial expression, or do you see something in the eyes themselves?


Hi, I disagree with the whole "having a conversation with the eyes" concept. I mean really, its just guessing at what's going on in another person's mind, and IMHO no one can guess accurately 100% of the time or even 50% of the time for that matter because the mind is a really complex thing. Perhaps the better someone knows another person the better they can guess what's going on in their mind, but its still just a guess and they're still going to be wrong a lot. The eyes can give clues about what's going on in someone else's mind, but its just clues. Also, context is everything. The same look can mean different things in different circumstances, and two different looks can mean the same thing. So, while making eye contact is important, I suggest not putting too much emphasis on trying to interpret what another person means with their eyes unless you know them really well, and unless you're willing to be wrong a lot.



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13 Jun 2010, 12:44 pm

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But what do you see when you read someone's eyes? Is it just a poetic way of saying you look at the facial expression, or do you see something in the eyes themselves?


Hi, I disagree with the whole "having a conversation with the eyes" concept. I mean really, its just guessing at what's going on in another person's mind, and IMHO no one can guess accurately 100% of the time or even 50% of the time for that matter because the mind is a really complex thing. Perhaps the better someone knows another person the better they can guess what's going on in their mind, but its still just a guess and they're still going to be wrong a lot. The eyes can give clues about what's going on in someone else's mind, but its just clues. Also, context is everything. The same look can mean different things in different circumstances, and two different looks can mean the same thing. So, while making eye contact is important, I suggest not putting too much emphasis on trying to interpret what another person means with their eyes unless you know them really well, and unless you're willing to be wrong a lot.


Yes, I think you're right.

I think my son and I are able to accurately have that conversation because we know each other so well and because our mutual preference for quiet is long established. It's not something one can do with accuracy about any subject with any person.



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13 Jun 2010, 1:16 pm

PlatedDrake wrote:
Question for NT's:

Something dawned on me, looking at a Warhammer 40k novel (for those who dont know, it's a sci-fi war series based in a future dark age): For those of you that read horror stories, do you actually get a sense of fear, spine tingle, goosebumps, etc.? I just realized that I've had that (read Frankenstein by Shelly, and a few others).

For me, i guess im too busy trying to figure out what the location looks like to care about it.


Depends on what the story is. I can take SOME scary stuff, but in a movie I'm not crazy about it. Probably the scariest thing I ever tried to read was Lovecraft, and I had to put it down. It definitely put me on edge, and gave me a whirl of obsessive thoughts right before bed, too, so I had to get rid of it.

Now, I guess ADHD isn't NT (more like "missing link"! ;) ), but that was my experience, that yes, it freaked me out.



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15 Jun 2010, 12:33 am

sorry posted in the wrong forum.



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15 Jun 2010, 5:16 am

How long does a special interest last? And when your over it does it feel like a worn out book, or are you still interested in the subject - just not 'obsessively' any more?
Also what triggers an interest in things? If you go onto another special interest does it relate to the previous one in some way or can it be totally unrelated?



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15 Jun 2010, 2:55 pm

Nostromo, that varies. It can be very brief-- I spent one evening with lapwings as my special interest. Some can occur simultaneously, which I'll get to presently. I might not have time right now to finish my answer; if not, I'll be back later.

But anyway. I've spent a couple of years with one of my interests. And writing has been a special interest of mine, sometimes dropping to the level of something I'm merely interested in, for my entire life.

There's also cycling within them. I got interested in fandom, but that's not anything in itself, so I would cycle fandoms, with the works themselves becoming special interests for a couple of months. As that stopped dominating my life, the individual fandoms cycled faster-- not months, but weeks, days, minutes, poof.

Self-interests don't get burned out for no reason. Interest stops when I can't find new material and can't think of anything interesting about old material. Well, it doesn't stop then, but the clock starts ticking then. Or maybe I grow out of it-- e.g., a cartoon that I outgrow, or determining that I'm through reading anything that so much as mentions NLD because it's just Asperger's with more angst. Or maybe I stop being able to get at it-- I lost interest in House between seasons.

After I drop one? I might come back to it. I picked up Robin Hood again for about a week. (Robin Hood is full of material, but it's hard to access, so I burn the available fuel quickly.) I would be interested in hearing anything you might have to say about dinosaurs, Code Lyoko, etc. The other day, I saw a forum thread on Animorphs and that was fun.

The thing that worries me is that with their ephemeral nature, my shifting interests might make a career hard.

Sometimes, they're totally unrelated. Sometimes, they're quite related. A special interest will come of something I encounter or think about, so it might be related to a previous one... or it might not. In fact, it generally isn't. A special interest is more likely to shift and expand if you become interested in something similar.

I've always thought psychology is interesting. For years, I didn't do anything about that, flummoxed about how to start learning. One day, doing research, I needed to read up on and compare DID and bipolar disorder. I did. But DID was interesting, so I kept researching. I did some research in a very old, very out of date abnormal psychology textbook. Then I read some pop psych books, watched lectures from Yale and read the course textbooks, read J Clin when I could find it... essentially, I gained the special interest. When I also became interested in psychopharmacology, that didn't replace psychology/psychiatry. It became part of it.

Whereas, going from that to a fantasy book series is totally different. They're separate... ish. Because I do wonder about dx'ing fictional characters and stuff like that.

Sometimes they occur simultaneously. Sometimes that's an overlap as one fades away and another builds up momentum. Sometimes, they just happen simultaneously. They might balance, or you might be more into one, then another, then back to the first... etc.

Essentially, you quit when you know all you can find. If you can find more, it's interesting again, although it might not be enough. You also need some sort of magical-seeming combination of factors for it to explode into a special interest.


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16 Jun 2010, 4:29 am

DandelionFireworks wrote:
Nostromo, that varies. It can be very brief-- I spent one evening with lapwings as my special interest. Some can occur simultaneously, which I'll get to presently. I might not have time right now to finish my answer; if not, I'll be back later.

But anyway. I've spent a couple of years with one of my interests. And writing has been a special interest of mine, sometimes dropping to the level of something I'm merely interested in, for my entire life.

There's also cycling within them. I got interested in fandom, but that's not anything in itself, so I would cycle fandoms, with the works themselves becoming special interests for a couple of months. As that stopped dominating my life, the individual fandoms cycled faster-- not months, but weeks, days, minutes, poof.

Self-interests don't get burned out for no reason. Interest stops when I can't find new material and can't think of anything interesting about old material. Well, it doesn't stop then, but the clock starts ticking then. Or maybe I grow out of it-- e.g., a cartoon that I outgrow, or determining that I'm through reading anything that so much as mentions NLD because it's just Asperger's with more angst. Or maybe I stop being able to get at it-- I lost interest in House between seasons.

After I drop one? I might come back to it. I picked up Robin Hood again for about a week. (Robin Hood is full of material, but it's hard to access, so I burn the available fuel quickly.) I would be interested in hearing anything you might have to say about dinosaurs, Code Lyoko, etc. The other day, I saw a forum thread on Animorphs and that was fun.

The thing that worries me is that with their ephemeral nature, my shifting interests might make a career hard.

Sometimes, they're totally unrelated. Sometimes, they're quite related. A special interest will come of something I encounter or think about, so it might be related to a previous one... or it might not. In fact, it generally isn't. A special interest is more likely to shift and expand if you become interested in something similar.

I've always thought psychology is interesting. For years, I didn't do anything about that, flummoxed about how to start learning. One day, doing research, I needed to read up on and compare DID and bipolar disorder. I did. But DID was interesting, so I kept researching. I did some research in a very old, very out of date abnormal psychology textbook. Then I read some pop psych books, watched lectures from Yale and read the course textbooks, read J Clin when I could find it... essentially, I gained the special interest. When I also became interested in psychopharmacology, that didn't replace psychology/psychiatry. It became part of it.

Whereas, going from that to a fantasy book series is totally different. They're separate... ish. Because I do wonder about dx'ing fictional characters and stuff like that.

Sometimes they occur simultaneously. Sometimes that's an overlap as one fades away and another builds up momentum. Sometimes, they just happen simultaneously. They might balance, or you might be more into one, then another, then back to the first... etc.

Essentially, you quit when you know all you can find. If you can find more, it's interesting again, although it might not be enough. You also need some sort of magical-seeming combination of factors for it to explode into a special interest.

Hmm I myself do get very interested in things for a few nights, just to learn and find out about them. I don't really have time to do more than that. But for example I got really interested in the early history of Russia recently. A few months ago it was steam engines. What else.. oil wells recently due to the spill, WW2; keep coming back to that.
I stay up till the wee hours sometimes when I should be sleeping...I just really like to find out about things I don't know about but only if I'm interested in them. I suppose for me it's usually history/culture or science/engineering related.
I'm NT, but I think it's a bit unusual esp at my age, my peers don't really do this kind of thing. But I guess that is just general curiosity as opposed to developing special interests. I do have longer term things I'm interested in such as cycling and bicycles. I don't really lose interest in the things I've read about I just know about them so don't need to spend so much time on them. I was into cars for many years, used to repair them, modify them and race them. Then I dropped that, but kinda interested in them again now.



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16 Jun 2010, 5:15 am

To an NT: Do you feel that bullying someone with AS will rehabilitate them?



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16 Jun 2010, 10:47 pm

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To an NT: Do you feel that bullying someone with AS will rehabilitate them?


I doubt anybody bullies for the purpose of rehabilitating.

I sure don't think bullying a person with AS or any other person will help them in any way.



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16 Jun 2010, 11:04 pm

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To an NT: Do you feel that bullying someone with AS will rehabilitate them?


I doubt anybody bullies for the purpose of rehabilitating.


Amen. This is a lesson that the PE teachers' profession needs to learn, along with many other people. Just because you cloak it in terms of "character building" doesn't stop it from being bullying (or refusal to interfere in bullying).

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I sure don't think bullying a person with AS or any other person will help them in any way.


Why ANYONE would be in any frame of mind for "learning" when being attacked is utterly beyond me.


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17 Jun 2010, 8:50 am

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To an NT: Do you feel that bullying someone with AS will rehabilitate them?


Why would you even ask this question here? Your question presupposes that all NTs can relate to being a bully. Most NTs are certainly not bullies. And especially the NTs that would post messages on this forum are not bullies. Furthermore, many NTs have been bullied themselves at various times in their lives. So if you sincerely want your question answered, I think you're asking it in the wrong place.



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17 Jun 2010, 12:58 pm

Personally I've only been on the recieving end of bullying.



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17 Jun 2010, 3:19 pm

That's the danger of thinking of people without autism as some sort of vast global community. People are still people, for better or worse.



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18 Jun 2010, 6:51 am

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To an NT: Do you feel that bullying someone with AS will rehabilitate them?
That's a pretty passive-aggressive thing to ask. D: D:
Do you always have a reason for the things you do? Or do you always KNOW the reason? Lots of bullies probably don't know their reason. They just see someone who annoys them for some reason or looks vulnerable and decide to pick on them.


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