How to Prevent Eugenic Abortions

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I am 100% prochoice. No one has the right to tell me what I have to do with my body. If/when they can remove a fertilized egg from a uterus and successfully grow it, I will change my mind. In 2005 there were something around 800,000 abortions performed. That is just in ONE year. Can you imagine the gross amount of over population if people didn't have abortions? YIKES!! !!

Personally, I would love to see stupid people sterilized before they can ever procreate. Since that isn't an option, at least we have abortion.

I'm not technically stupid, but you can sterilize me anyway!

I was so, so scared of autism when I was pregnant. And so terrified when I first started suspecting it in my son, because everything I found to read on the internet then was a nightmare. It's horrifying to me that I might have aborted him, if I had known he would be autistic.

But I don't know if education and awareness would itself stop eugenic abortions. A friend of mine has a wonderful daughter with Down Syndrome, and she mentored a pregnant couple who had found out their child would have Downs. The couple decided to have an abortion. My friend was just devastated.

Unfortunately, the truth is that having a handicapped child -- and you can argue all you want that autism is not a handicap, but from where I'm sitting AND where my son is sitting, it is -- can be very difficult. It is also worthwhile in many ways, but when that lovable child doesn't yet exist, the balance would tend to lean in the other direction.

We tried it. It was called the eugenics movement, and a certain European dictator found it very inspirational.

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Ok, I'll do a little thought experiment and imagine I've drastically changed my mind about not wanting children...

If I knew my child would be HFA or Asperger, I would keep it for sure.

But LFA or profound LFA?

Like my brother?

No, no and no. Sorry. Never talking, never even using sign language, no skills, no self sufficiency, can't even use a TOILET?

No. Not gonna bring a poor wreck like that into the world. Way too cruel. I don't care if that makes people angry.

You can't force families to be more supportive. You can't force boyfriends/husbands/exes to be either. And, when you really look at it, you can't force women to gestate. Women have been aborting unwanted pregnancies since antiquity. As a practical matter, it's not realistic, and as an ethical matter, there is so much disagreement that legislating one group's morality to the detriment of the liberty of others is unethical in istelf, IMO.

~Kate

I have no window into any woman's soul. If she has, in good conscience, made the decision to terminate her pregnancy, I have no standing to gainsay that decision. Similarly, where a woman who has made the choice to carry a child to term, I have no standing to gainsay.

A woman who does not want children who makes the choice not to undergo invasive surgery and prefers to rely upon contraception has made, in my view a reasoned decision. Ovaries, the fallopian tubes and the uterus are integral parts of each woman, to dispose of healthy, functioning tissue is a questionable medical decision where non-invasive therapies are available.

At the end of the day, I might have an opinion. I might choose to express that opinion. But my right to thought, belief and opinion ends when it intersects with another person's right to life, liberty and security of the person.

^Amen to this. I would like a hysterectomy - no periods and no chance of getting pregnant, yay! - but it, um, kind of involves cutting through your abdominal wall and your movements will be messed up for months. I do various sports and I'd rather not give them up for several months while I recover from invasive surgery.

It certainly doesn't make me angry. Life is hard enough for people with every conceivable advantage.

if you outlaw abortions women are gonna find some way around it.
like starbucks!

the old 4 shotz of hell aka the traveling abortionist

4 shots straight expresso
add your favorite flavor and 4 packets of the sugar in the raw.

a strict diet of that will miscarry in a few days.

Are you being serious?

If you are, that's cool. Nice to know there's an easily available method that doesn't involve things like injecting yourself in your uterus with turpentine, or worse.

not sure of the time but high amounts of caffeen can cause the fetus to miscarry cause the caffeen increases blood pressure causeing the baby veins to pop
http://www.ivf1.com/caffeine-miscarriage/

200 mg a day is a definate increase risk for miscarriage. one 4 shot expresso is about 260mg

Sweet. I am already a caffeine misuser, would that mean I'd be unlikely to get pregnant in the first place?

oh you can still get pregnant, this miscarriage is purely a vascular issue with the fetus you will still get pregnant and stay pregnant thru the embryo stage. once the babyd heart starts to develop you will start seeing problems eventually leading to miscarriage