Using Aspergers as a crutch or excuse ??

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31 Jan 2012, 6:03 am

JoeBloke wrote:

You know what I wonder? I wonder how many of you also have Morgellon's, Fibromyalgia, or something along those lines.

I have trouble interacting with others, concentrating, focussing, etc., but I think if someone were to try to apply some sort of "label" to me that I would reject it -- opting instead to NOT accept limitations and instead choosing to excel in all I do.

But you all just go ahead and keep telling yourself you "can't", ok? And go on ahead and accept "failure" (whatever that may mean to you) -- just don't get angry when others recognize that and start to expect less and less of you since that's what YOU are doing.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself, I suppose. I'm just sick of seeing people claiming some (potentially fabricated) diagnosis as some sort of excuse for laziness, sloth, lack of discipline, etc. It gets very, very old after a while.

Don't bother replying as I won't be checking back in here...I just want my opinions heard because I am tired of reading crap like this and it is time someone gave you a wake-up call. (I told you I have trouble interacting with others, didn't I?

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31 Jan 2012, 6:07 am

^^^ LMAO! :lmao:

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31 Jan 2012, 6:10 am

Words are not cooperative. I am left with nothing but gifs.

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31 Jan 2012, 6:19 am

Verdandi wrote:

Words are not cooperative. I am left with nothing but gifs.

An elegant answer, nonetheless. Words could not make up such an apt reply.

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31 Jan 2012, 7:37 am

Well, I've missed quite a bit.... Ahem.

I believe that Autism and AS are legitimate excuses to consistent failure if the Aspie is not aware that he had failed his assigned task until it is too late - and yet is unable to learn from his mistakes, thereby repeating them.

Or conversely, that if the assigned task is beyond the physical or cognitive capacity of the Aspie, guaranteeing him failure.

What's interesting about these ideas is that they're coming close to the general definition of 'a disability'.

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31 Jan 2012, 11:54 am

WhiteRaven_214 wrote:

I disagree with most of this, AS is not an excuse for anything. Some leeway and understanding in the most difficult situations, but not an excuse. There is no guarantee of failure and there is always the capability to learn from mistakes and experiences.

Physical or cognitive impairments are not a characteristic of AS.

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31 Jan 2012, 12:01 pm

Was JoeBloke was trying to imply we don't have a physical disability? I have one, and I have a hard time convincing people my sensory issues are a lot bigger (in fact, I think only able-bodied people are bothered by the fact I have a disability, I literally don't understand what makes it such a big deal to everyone).

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31 Jan 2012, 12:02 pm

Saying that you can't use your disability as an "excuse" is like saying disabled people aren't really disabled, they just need to try harder. Some people can't do some things no matter how hard they try.

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31 Jan 2012, 12:04 pm

Jtuk wrote:

WhiteRaven_214 wrote:

I disagree with most of this, AS is not an excuse for anything. Some leeway and understanding in the most difficult situations, but not an excuse. There is no guarantee of failure and there is always the capability to learn from mistakes and experiences.

Physical or cognitive impairments are not a characteristic of AS.

Jason

The definition of AS is that it's a form of cognitive impairment. If there were no impairments, there would be no AS.

Some of those cognitive impairments have physical repercussions as well.

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31 Jan 2012, 12:22 pm

Anyone who uses AS as an excuse is taking the easy way out in my opinion .Most goals are still attainable but with the knowledge that you have AS you have to approach them in a way that will utilize your unique strengths and weaknesses that come with having AS.. For example an aspie male trying to meet a woman by going to bars/nightclubs is usually putting themselves at a big disadvantage when you combine many of the inherent factors that go with AS such as sensory issues and the anxiety that comes with being in that kind of setting.

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31 Jan 2012, 12:31 pm

DSM IV:

(V) There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction) and curiosity about the environment in childhood.

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31 Jan 2012, 12:32 pm

If you aren't supposed to use anything as an "excuse" for not being able to do something what are you supposed to do if you get asked or need to explain why you can't do something? Shrug your shoulders and say nothing? Anything you say would be an "excuse".

If aspergers doesn't stop you from doing anything than why do some people get disability for it? Saying it's just an excuse means they aren't disabled.

Different people have different levels of functioning.

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31 Jan 2012, 12:34 pm

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31 Jan 2012, 12:35 pm

hanyo wrote:

Good point, lol I thought the point of it being a disability was it interferes with peoples ability to do things and function. It does not make a whole lot of sense to just pretend AS symptoms have nothing to do with why something might be difficult or maybe even impossible when that actually is the reason is not the same as making excuses to try and get out of anything.

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31 Jan 2012, 12:37 pm

Jtuk wrote:

Most of the time that criteria is not met, as many people diagnosed with AS did in fact have delays in development of age-appropriate self-help skills and adaptive behavior.

And a lack of delay in cognitive development does not mean a lack of cognitive impairments. AS is in the brain, right? The DSM-IV criteria say:

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(III) The disturbance causes clinically significant impairments in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

If those impairments are not cognitive, where are they? They reflect repetitive, restrictive behaviors and social deficits. Are these somehow not related to cognition at all?

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31 Jan 2012, 12:37 pm

Jtuk wrote:

WhiteRaven_214 wrote:

That is odd because I was under the impression my slow processing of information had to do with having AS.

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