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16 Apr 2011, 9:22 am

I watch Frankie Boyle on Mock the Week with dara O'brien (who is awesome) and I don't like him, it's not necessarily because i think he goes to far, I like Jimmy Carr and he makes jokes about all those subjects and I found it very funny, maybe it's because Frankie Boyle just doesn't seem like someone I'd like to meet, versus Jimmy Carr who seems to be a really nice chap in person, and he's made it clear "there jokes, nothing more" and I agree, jokes about taboo subjects help destigmatise the subject.


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16 Apr 2011, 10:30 am

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This poster is offensive. Autism and Aspergers (and other diagnosis on the spectrum) is a diagnosed condition (n.b. I did not say "disease"). Many people with autism are also considered "persons with disabilites" due to their condition.

Hence...

This poster has no place on the grounds of the university (free speech notwithstanding).

One would not be allowed to display racist or homophobic material (e.g. "Homosexuality. Because mincing fairies are 'born that way' "). One should not be allowed to post this unfunny, hurtful poster.

If you see something like this at a publically funded institution or area - make a formal complaint and use the words - "offensive and derogatory to people with disabilities" - I can almost guarantee that the offending material will be removed quickly[/quo


I agree completely.


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16 Apr 2011, 10:45 am

I too agree, it's funny how it's still ok to openly disparage some groups. My oldest son was diagnosed with Tourettes at age 13, and all these years later, to hear instructors and students make jokes about that condition really blows my mind. The same people that wouldn't dream of making fun of someone with other difficulties still think some things are open to jokes. Last summer an instructor said something he shouldn't have, then made the joke that he had Tourettes, then a few days later a student did the same thing. I so wanted to lay into her and point out that making a joke of an entire group of people was insensitive. Really what I wanted to do was make fun of her ignorant country 40 year old large self wearing tube tops, (that image is burned into my brain forever) but alas, all I did was say "my son was diagnosed with Tourettes when he was 13, and glared.



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16 Apr 2011, 10:49 am

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:lmao: A funny AS related demotivational for you all. But the original engrish.com picture is better, because it takes a second to notice it.


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16 Apr 2011, 11:18 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
The poster doesn't bother me one bit. It's supposed to be offensive. It's a demotivation poster, people. That's what they DO.
Exactly - and why would we think we'd be immune to being featured on a demotivational poster anyway?
"Asperger's - this week's <ahem> person of larger stature".


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17 Apr 2011, 1:17 am

Tequila wrote:
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That is absolutely disgraceful. I am raging!! ! :twisted:


Then you're playing into the hands of the people who produce these sorts of posters.

There's free speech on the Internet. Yes, it may be a bit inconsiderate and non-politically correct but so are a lot of the other things on here. They aren't calling for autistics to be gassed, for heaven's sake. Let it be.

The nature of 'offence' is insidious - who decides what is and what is not offensive? You can't. So free speech must reign.


Saying something is offensive has nothing to dp with restricting free speech. I really wish that people would stop assuming that speaking out about why something is wrong, is somehow equivalent to censorship. It's not. They're free to make offensive posters and people who are offended are free to speak out about the real life consequences of offensiveness. No problem with free speech is implied there.


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17 Apr 2011, 1:23 am

It's meant to be offensive. :lol:


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17 Apr 2011, 2:17 am

Phonic wrote:
I watch Frankie Boyle on Mock the Week with dara O'brien (who is awesome) and I don't like him, it's not necessarily because i think he goes to far


I'm not saying he does - free speech is paramount and all that. But he actually got removed from Mock the Week as the BBC felt he was going too far.

Have a look at Tramadol Nights and his stage tour output to see where Boyle is at now. Whereas previously his blasts of off-colour-ness were a minute or so it's been expanded to fill an entire show and just somes across as very tired and distasteful in the process. It's just endless disparaging jibes at rape and paedophilia, more or less.



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17 Apr 2011, 2:19 am

anbuend wrote:
Saying something is offensive has nothing to dp with restricting free speech.


It's different for you in the United States. Your constitution protects free speech. In the UK we have no such protection.

The line in the UK generally goes "X is offensive and should be banned" which is why we tend to conflate the two here.



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17 Apr 2011, 9:08 am

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17 Apr 2011, 11:25 am

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I think it's supposed to be satirical

Yep.



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17 Apr 2011, 2:55 pm

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LOL! :lol:

I've got an autistic card, and its got me out of trouble before.


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17 Apr 2011, 8:52 pm

It is an inappropriate poster.



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17 Apr 2011, 10:13 pm

Not only is it inappropriate, I don't see anything that suggests being an a**hole in the picture on the poster. It's supposed to be funny and it fails at that, too.



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17 Apr 2011, 10:23 pm

Yes, the poster is offensive. That's the joke. See, Scott Adams (the guy behind Dilbert) once wrote that there are six elements of humor, and a joke needs at least two of them to be funny. The more of them the joke has, the funnier it will be. I haven't been able to find a solid counterexample yet (and the first thing I did when I found the rule was try to prove it wrong by thinking of a seventh element or a joke that succeeds using only one). The six elements of humor are witty, naughty, cruel, bizarre, recognizable, and cute. The poster at start relies on being cruel (obvious) and bizarre. The notion of autists just being a**holes with a diagnosis is bizarre, and this is the crux of the joke.

Of course, the joke can work just as well by swapping out the "bizarre" element with the "recognizable" element...But so? It works off of whatever belief the person already has, and doesn't do much to propagate anything. Besides which, what's the audience for this poster, anyway? The number of people who'll see this is probably no higher than five or six digits (keep in mind, most nations have a population of at least 20,000,000), and that's being generous.

I'm all for being wary of threatening propaganda campaigns against any group that can't easily defend themselves, including the one I'm apart of, but this piece of "propaganda" simply isn't threatening.



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17 Apr 2011, 10:39 pm

Cruel isn't funny. Cruel is just cruel.