Anders Behring Breivik -Aspie?

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then look carefully at yourself.

this is simply a special interest at work. note the crazy level of detail.

we all have our special interests and personal beliefs. this is what happens when they get messed up.

he's an extreme case.

if the other post is too disturbing for a lot of people i can delete it or have a moderator delete it. my interest is simply in factually looking at what has happened.

I am glad i am not the one who had to start this thead. However the more i have gotten to learn about the guy, from his past and his response after being caught/surrendering (he had plenty of ammo left). He is the epitimy of the i am right and f you if you think otherwise opproach that many of us have taken at least at some point in our lives.

Rather than refuting the possibility it is more logical to ask the question of why.
Presuming he was an Aspie dx'd or not, what kind of enviroment would bring this out of someone. One bad outcome can easily be generalized against a whole group by an ignorent public, this is what is at the root of all forms of discrimination and hate. If in the weeks to come he is dx'd as an aspie we need to insure that the issue is framed around how this could have been avoided through acceptance and inclusion in society. The solitary life is obe that can be very isolating and this is probably stongly related to the attitudes and opinons he developed.

exactly my thought. if the linkage is actually there, then the social issues we face on the spectrum are a little more serious and society needs to invest more resources in helping all of us solve this problem

The last thing we need is society thinking we are all potential mass murderers. Things are hard enough for us already.

Whether or not (and I think not) he as AS is irrelevant. The man has no conscience. He obviously sees other human beings as pieces of meat like other psychopaths. For most people it is impossible to do what he has done no matter what trauma they have been through in life.

This is what I have been trying to say- in Europe they will be down on us , momitoring and all the other crap. That's just the left , the right might decide we are a bunch of freaks as well and they are not nice people.

This is weird to think because I have just been reading through Dorothy Bishop's critque of clinical models of diagnosis and it turns out that there isn't even a standardized system, a "gold standard" of deciding what an Aspie is , which means it's very open to interpretation by clinicians. Now when we get the Aspie panic, like the Muslim panic, or the white proletarian panic , how do you think they will err? It's big business deamonizing a group , especially in a recession.

All this would be kind of funny if it wasn't set against this horrific backgound. What you got to remember is the UK is not as you see it on TV. We got CCTV cameras coming out of civic centre stautues asses and there's security firms monitoring if you sneeze,. Crime hasn't improved , it got worse in the last twenty years despite all the above. But if they want to profile and monitor a generation of kids and us adults they have the means to do so. I do not want to be tagged for being alive.

I hope they don't decide he is an Aspie. I really do.

There's more than one perspective. If it is a lie, it's the same sort of lie Casey Anthony would tell. Just bs to support his cause like she lied to the cops and parents on the visitation phone in prison.

If it is true, perhaps it isn't a special interest but a deep concern for friends and family and anyone else who has the same lifestyle as them. It isn't unlike other moralists. Who knows, maybe their behavior disturbed him so much it was the genesis of his evil machinations?

i disagree with those who would want to cover up the truth (if this is true, obviously we're just speculating).

i think there is real power in understanding what is reality and what is really going on. because then we can get to the root and start figuring out how to handle it.

ITA with you and this is one of the main reasons that I don't relate to this guy at, all.

Not about the STD's, specifically.


He's just a person who is obviously VERY affected by his environment, and IMO, this is because a person feels a lot of empathy and is deeply affected by those around them.

I won't really go there about AS and empathy AGAIN, but I am the opposite of this. What other people feel, does not affect me(very much). I'm not deeply affected by my environment, and could never internalize anything the way that people who wallow in their emotions for years and finally go on murderous rampages do.

This is why I say that I lack empathy, and feel FOR people, but not *with* them. It's not because I think I'm cold-hearted, it's just because I know that I'm not affected by people the way that most people are, and ESPECIALLY the way that people who do things like this are.

i'll repost my example on this..

if you had the opportunity to kill the leader of north korea and free the country, would you do it? lets assume its a simple situation, you kill the leader, you get away without problems and the country is freed and is no longer a nuclear threat.

i bet the answer is yes, you would do it. i certainly would. then we'd have no more problems with north korea.

so if this is the case, morality positive depends on what you're socialized by. and if you're pretty disconnected from society your version of morality positive can become almost anything.

The problem is "the truth" is variable, and subject to political and ideological tides. History teaches us what can happen when they get into a panic or a hate or a confusion. Now if they can't actually decide what an Aspie "is", all I'm saying is we had better be careful giving them ideological ammunition to play with. They are not developed enough to be trusted with this stuff an dall those guys claiming humanitarian motives soon show their true colours when an ideologiclally driven witchunt begins because their social position, their own validity and stuff like mortgages rely on them agreeing. I wouldn't trust them in this situation if they are offered a boatload of funding and security of tenure to act as advisors to the security forces. When paranoia meets university minds all kinds of weirdsh*t sharts flying about. That's not even taking into account the media amplification starting wave sof moral panic. A couple of months ago
it was Single mums on benifit destroying the country, no its only 1 in 14 disabled people are unfit enough to be allowed not to woirk, and there are private companies poviding priveliged politicians who have never even lived below th breadline with the stuff they want to hear, so they get paid fo rit. No imgine if the politicians her ewant a down on us for political scapegoats, and thes eadvisors start telling them the stuff they want to here and the politicians friends run the private security firms and the private health care iniatives - we're going to end up getting a damn barcode on our foreheads and working workfare making crap for big profit for another bunch of the politicains friends for workfare. They do not give a chimps as s what the truth is as
long as they can make political and social capital and cash out of it.

They can't evean agree what AS is, so they can shift the definition, broaden if if necessary to include who groups .

Hmmm?

lol, why would I do this?

I don't know. I guess given the opportunity, if I know that it was the right thing to do and it would cause absolutely no inconvenience to me, I would.

But someone would have to lead me into a situation like this. Doing something about North Korea would never occur to me.

It's not that I'm SO apathetic, that I have no moral compass. But I'm oblivious for the most part.

I very much doubt I'd be capable of killing someone even if it was some "noble" cause. Taking a life is just not in my nature, though I suppose I could be compelled to act to defend my own life when adrenaline takes over. It sounds very simple to talk about killing people from the comfort of your armchair but really the fact is that most people just aren't killers.

As much as this is a concern, I'm all for truth. Maybe your correct in how badly leaders would handle this, in a typically stupid fearful and reactionary manner as per usual. But...

Do we need another Brevik, Columbine, Aramoana, Virginia Tech............???????????????

The toll of suffering around the exclusion, demonisation and ostracising of the neurodiverse (aspie or not) is massive

The single mums problem - how many are HFA?
Amy Winehouse -Tragic
Bee Gees
I cant remember them all


Exclusion and isolation and demonisation may in part be due to the Muslim crime problem in Europe......


Until we start treating all people, AS or not, with correct respect and understanding, when we isolate, demonise and ostracise them, they will want to hurt their unfair tormentors.

Many disaffected groups beyond aspies are waiting in the wings for liberty from oppression.

Asking everyone to put their heads in the sand and keep the status quo till we have to deal with another Brevik????

The main problem I can see is HFAers. They just dont know what they are, no one does. They try and try to fit in, it doesnt work. The confusion and despair becomes too much. Until someone comes along and says hey your an aspie thats why...

Aaahh okay then, I'm different. So you guys arnt evil after all, just NT....

Viva la revolution. Bring it on.

Like er how exactly?


Knock on door

"... Hi, we think you might be an HFA."

"Huh? "

"Well have you ever thought you were erm, different, and you were surrounded by, I dunno, sort of bald ape-things and they sort of tolerated you , but they do stupid things ,and if they keep on doing stupid things there won't be a planet pretty soon...you know that kind of stuff, "

"Guess so . Some of them seem OK though." Glances around to make sure no one else is in earshot . "Do you mind if I ask you a question ?"

"No, fire away"

"There's this Japanese anime character......"

I agree with you so hard.

The truth is that. people with AS probably have much variance as NTs, and NTs are obviously capable of doing morally reprehensible and disgusting things as well.

But they are the majority.

People don't understand autism. People make judgments about minorities, and label them, in an effort to understand them. Understand how are they are similar to the majority and how they are different. The majority of people want to understand autistics, and compare them to NTs. Ideas like this floating around could very easily become the consensus among NTS.

VERY quickly.

I don't expect a ton of Aspies to care about BAD PR, but that's exactly what this is, and it is dangerous.

Who will be the brave knight that will slay this dragon?

ooops that sounds a lot like Brevik doesnt it?