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31 Oct 2011, 10:02 pm

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I am narmal, nermal, nirmal, normal, and nurmal. Should I be nyrmal as well? Is "y" a vowel?


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31 Oct 2011, 10:06 pm

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Men are from Mars, women are from Venus.

That includes Aspergian men and women, so I guess the rest of all those zombies are from farther out.


Men are from Earth.

Women are from Earth.

People should deal with it.


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31 Oct 2011, 10:09 pm

The term "Aspergian" conjures up the image of an onion with a face bouncing around on a pogo stick as its primary means of locomotion.



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31 Oct 2011, 10:34 pm

For some reason it makes me think of chickens.



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31 Oct 2011, 10:36 pm

It makes me think of ass shaped icebergs.



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31 Oct 2011, 10:37 pm

I do have an easier time socially because of the expectations. But that doesn't let me off the sensory, executive-function, and independent living issues. In those respects, I am more affected than most ASD men I know. But that doesn't say a thing--I'm only one person.


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31 Oct 2011, 11:20 pm

The word Aspergian makes me think of an upright, green bunch of celery, which has eyes.


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31 Oct 2011, 11:26 pm

The word Aspergian makes me think of two aspie pedophiles/teenophiles because I knew two aspies who call themselves that word.



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31 Oct 2011, 11:31 pm

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It makes me think of ass shaped icebergs.

I imagine people who are allergic to aspirin.



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31 Oct 2011, 11:39 pm

I would say that intelligence-wise, females are generally smarter. I don't know if males have less anxiety. I don't think so. I think females can have a lot of anxiety also. I have female and have severe generalized anxiety disorder. Not all Aspies have anxiety disorders but it seems to be common among the afflicted.

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31 Oct 2011, 11:52 pm

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I would say that intelligence-wise, females are generally smarter.

Nonsense.


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01 Nov 2011, 12:01 am

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Ok, I agree, my original premise was wrong. But, let's still civilly explore the differences between the subpopulations, shall we?


I think there are few major differences, and one of them pertains to the perceptions of society in perceiving males and females. Sex plays a large part in how people perceive and interpret others. Two individuals can do or say exactly the same thing, or act in identical manners, and they will be perceived differently depending on their sex. An example of this can be found in the episode of Futurama where Bender fell in love with the ship. The ship, an adversary of Bender's, switched from using a male voice to a female voice, and this was the premise of a relationship between the two. That relationship ended when the ship switched back to a male voice and the bickering between the two resumed.

It's often said that males act out more and have more aggression problems than females, and some believe females with AS are more likely to develop eating disorders than males with AS. However these things apply to males and females in general. I also believe there is a tendency to label difficult, "bad" little boys who acted out in class as having AS, much as there was a tendency to label them as having ADHD in the 90's and I am skeptical as to whether they actually do have AS.

One thing I notice is one large point of anguish for many youths and men on this website pertains to the inability to acquire a mate. Girls and women who have not been able to procure a suitable mate do not seem to express their discontent in such an outwardly emotional way. Rather, they seem to direct their emotions on this subject inward. This is interesting because it seems to be a complete roll reversal in the way males and females stereotypically deal with emotions.

Very generally speaking, I don't think you are going to find actual differences between males and females with AS that don't exist between males and females in general.



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01 Nov 2011, 12:44 am

Chronos wrote:
Girls and women who have not been able to procure a suitable mate do not seem to express their discontent in such an outwardly emotional way. Rather, they seem to direct their emotions on this subject inward. This is interesting because it seems to be a complete roll reversal in the way males and females stereotypically deal with emotions.


That is so true!


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01 Nov 2011, 12:52 am

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Chronos wrote:
Girls and women who have not been able to procure a suitable mate do not seem to express their discontent in such an outwardly emotional way. Rather, they seem to direct their emotions on this subject inward. This is interesting because it seems to be a complete roll reversal in the way males and females stereotypically deal with emotions.


That is so true!


Yes, lol. I think that's because females traditionally share their frustrations with their friends while guys traditionally start pounding their chests and yelling or "acting out" (Like in the classroom), except online, their anonymity allows them to direct their anguish and express it in detail without serious consequence.



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01 Nov 2011, 1:00 am

swbluto wrote:
zen_mistress wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Girls and women who have not been able to procure a suitable mate do not seem to express their discontent in such an outwardly emotional way. Rather, they seem to direct their emotions on this subject inward. This is interesting because it seems to be a complete roll reversal in the way males and females stereotypically deal with emotions.


That is so true!


Yes, lol. I think that's because females traditionally share their frustrations with their friends while guys traditionally start pounding their chests and yelling or "acting out" (Like in the classroom), except online, their anonymity allows them to direct their anguish and express it in detail without serious consequence.


Thats all very well, but I dont share my problems with any friend, nor do I have someone to help me with them.


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01 Nov 2011, 1:43 am

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I would say that intelligence-wise, females are generally smarter. I don't know if males have less anxiety. I don't think so. I think females can have a lot of anxiety also. I have female and have severe generalized anxiety disorder. Not all Aspies have anxiety disorders but it seems to be common among the afflicted.

A!


I do not think it's accurate to say that females are generally smarter. Amongst the general population, males over all score slightly (3 or so points) higher on most standard IQ tests. I do not believe this indicates that males are on average smarter, rather I just think it's more likely due to what the tests are capable and not capable of testing. I do think NT females have a higher social intelligence and intuition than NT males and I think if we saw more social intelligence and theory of mind sub sections on the tests, we would see that the difference approaches zero.

It should also be noted that more males than females occupy the tips of the curve. That is to say, more males score in the mentally ret*d and very superior ranges than females. The reason for more males scoring in the mentally ret*d range is due to the sex linked nature of some disorders. Many disorders that cause mental retardation are disorders that originate on the X chromosome. Male with a defective X chromosome has no back up, as he only has one, however females have two X chromsomes and so escape the effect of a defective one.

More males score in the very superior range probably for the same reason initially stated for the small difference between the averages.

I suppose this brings us to a question. When deciding what to factor into measures of intelligence, what should be considered relevant and what shouldn't?

I will be honest with you. When I was a child I spent most of my time at lunch and recess by myself, and while I typically didn't pay much attention to them, occasionally I would be near enough to a group of girls to catch parts of their conversations. The subject would typically be, who bought what new hair product, who got what new clothes, and who talked to who about what generally stupid thing.

To be perfectly honest, everything they talked about seemed to be stupid, uninteresting, boring, generally not having any relevance to anything. Clothes, beauty products (even in kindergarten!) boys, gossip.

I saw absolutely no value in any of this, and would have much rather go look at ants carrying bits of food and dead insects up trees (which is exactly what I did when I could find some).

However as an adult I came to realize that these girls grew up to be women who knew how to attract suitable mates....most of them are married now. They knew how to dress nicely, such that they didn't stand out, they knew how to navigate some of the more complex social situations in life and they did this with relative ease. They had all these skills which enabled them to have normal lives and which I have only started to come by recently.

From an evolutionary point of view, these skills benefit them much more than being able to memorize a 300 page fact book, being able to put a shelf from Ikea together without instructions, or being able to solve a partial differential equation of multiple variables.

My point is, what is intelligence without context? Perhaps we should gauge intelligence with respect to the context in which it is most relevant.