Aspies leaving WP due to percieved "tone"

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Are you aware of individuals on the spectrum that have a) decided not to join WP, or b) left WP, due to a percieved "tone"?
Poll ended at 07 Feb 2013, 5:16 pm
Yes, I don't know why (individuals) left/did'nt join 5%  5%  [ 6 ]
No, I'm not aware of anyone who left/did'nt join 54%  54%  [ 61 ]
Yes, they indicated they did'nt like "negativity" 21%  21%  [ 23 ]
Yes, they indicated that the site was too positive towards ASDs 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Yes, they thought the site is too pro-cure 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Yes, they thought the site did'nt take their interests into account 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Yes, they felt awkward posting when they have had better life experences 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Other/please explain in a post 13%  13%  [ 15 ]
Total votes : 112

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24 Jan 2013, 9:38 pm

Cool book btw answeraspergers. I'm reading the preview on amazon. I was waiting for a book like this on retraining the brain.

To answer the OP, I don't know people who have left because I didn't talk to many members about leaving WP. I have debated leaving so many times within the short period that I've been on here.

I don't like social media. I've seen how much worse people behave when they can't see another person's face. The only reason why I'm on here is because it's the only way for me to talk about my AS. It's the occasional positive response or fellow oddball on that keeps me coming back...

Who knows though, one day I may be gone for good. Then you will know that I am genuinely happy.



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24 Jan 2013, 9:38 pm

I said to the extreme not earnestly - debate not a slanging match imo

The difference between flaming and disagreement is in the style manner and tone.

I'm sure people would manage to retain respect if they were disagreeing with Lennox Lewis or Fedor in person. On a forum however everyone has internet balls.

It's a science, sport and art. I know. I just got my PhD in Trollolology. lol



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24 Jan 2013, 9:49 pm

@deltafunction - thank you!! I was on the fence about releasing the 2nd and 3rd.



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24 Jan 2013, 10:31 pm

answeraspergers wrote:
I said to the extreme not earnestly - debate not a slanging match imo

The difference between flaming and disagreement is in the style manner and tone.

I'm sure people would manage to retain respect if they were disagreeing with Lennox Lewis or Fedor in person. On a forum however everyone has internet balls.

It's a science, sport and art. I know. I just got my PhD in Trollolology. lol


It's text, there is no tone.

Proof of this is very easy, simply read in your head (or say outloud idc) the sentence above about tone, first in a calm voice, then again in a frustrated/angry voice.

You see? Just by using different tone in your head/ how you read it, you've reshaped the "apparent tone" of the sentance. What's changed on screen? Nothing. Case and point.


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24 Jan 2013, 10:40 pm

Not really - the thread title is "perceived tone"

I know what you mean about subjectivity but nevertheless there is an assumed tone to the written word - both in hear and in the real world

Sarcasm, derision etc can often be detected "between the lines" or openly



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24 Jan 2013, 11:15 pm

I'm actually finding a lot of autistics here to be annoying or depressing(no offense). I don't even think I'm autistic anymore, I was tested once and it was a pretty crappy test, I didn't answer questions at all, they just examined me. And I was diagnosed when I was 7, and I didn't even know what they were doing.

EDIT: Rethinking it, I'm still autistic, I'm just not as severe as most the people here. Maybe because I'm around a crap ton of super NT teenagers.



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24 Jan 2013, 11:37 pm

I just want to mention that something I find in spades (not because I want to find it, nor do I look for it) is people who make offensive comments about views/religion/etc. then start pointing fingers back at the person/people they offended who mention that it's offensive, as if they're the ones who started it.
This is something that I've actually run into today and it doesn't exactly help WP's image to me. I don't mind a debate, but when someone is just blatently offensive, that's when I go off. What makes it worse is when nothing is said or done about it and I, being the one who was offended rather heavily to begin with by said comment, is simply expected to deal with it and either leave the topic, or not say anything at all, which is total crap. I shouldn't be expected to shut my mouth just because people are being offensive to me (unintentional is one thing, but i'm talking about blatent, "questioning your character because you're yadda yadda excuse here", in my case it's Christianity), while they go on without a word. The logic apparently is that people can be offensive, but no-one can complain about it.
Just thought I'd say that's something I've run into and has slightly pushed me toward the prospect of leaving.


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24 Jan 2013, 11:47 pm

Many of the ones I really enjoyed to have left, but I am not sure as to why, and it isn't really important to me.

I just really miss those people. :(


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25 Jan 2013, 12:29 am

For those people: I am sorry they chose to leave.


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26 Jan 2013, 2:27 pm

Elitism - either "autistic people are better than neurotypical people" or "Aspies are better than those with classic autism".

Also, people with more challenges being discredited and left out.



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26 Jan 2013, 4:18 pm

On a whole, I think WP isn't as negative as, say, YouTube, CNN, or even the classical & piano sites I belong to. The vitriol on those sites will make your hair stand on end. Simply amazing. By far, I think YouTube is the worst offender. Out of the blue, regardless of the video, someone always has to bash Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga. Why? No reason. Just boredom, I guess.



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26 Jan 2013, 4:20 pm

I've met several people that have left WP due to the negativity they had to deal with. I was considering leaving for the same reason.



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26 Jan 2013, 4:27 pm

Tuttle wrote:
Elitism - either "autistic people are better than neurotypical people" or "Aspies are better than those with classic autism".

Also, people with more challenges being discredited and left out.


Also, I notice those who don't have so many challenges frequently having their diagnosis challenged and being made to feel like they are not autistic enough to belong here...


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26 Jan 2013, 5:48 pm

YellowBanana wrote:
Tuttle wrote:
Elitism - either "autistic people are better than neurotypical people" or "Aspies are better than those with classic autism".

Also, people with more challenges being discredited and left out.


Also, I notice those who don't have so many challenges frequently having their diagnosis challenged and being made to feel like they are not autistic enough to belong here...


On that note, I've noticed (although didn't think much of it because it could just be encouragement) that people tend to downsize someone's problems as being solvable simply because such strategy worked for them. I don't think it's really a bad thing necessarily because it can be encouraging for some, but I would imagine solutions are different for everyone.


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26 Jan 2013, 6:04 pm

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I left for a little while because a couple of things pissed me off. I then discovered that there are no other similar forums with a decent base of posters; most other autism forums I found had about 20 posts per day. I also realised I could just learn to ignore posts or people who pissed me off; if you wish spend life avoiding every situation in which you might be irritated or annoyed then you will probably just need to sit on the sofa doing nothing and interacting with nobody.

I honestly don't feel as if this forum is any more negative or positive than any other large online community I have been a member of. The WoW forums for example are a LOT more negative than WP in my experience. Here I see disparate opinions and types of people who hold both positive and negative attitudes; for sure there is the occasional prime f***wit but then this is the internet, 5 minutes reading youtube comments should demonstrate to anyone that compared to some places WP is a beacon of tolerance and positivity. I honestly don't think there is a problem and I feel unsure as to the OP's agenda. I'm not going to say this is being done in bad faith but I don't think it's useful. As several other people have indicated, the way to stop negativity is not to create more of it by calling out a large number of people and telling them they are being negative. It's kinda funny actually because these couple of threads about this topic have been some of the most intolerance and negativity filled threads I have seen recently on WP.


I agree with most of this. I come from a comic book forum that I used to consider my 'online home base', but I've been visiting it less and less over the last couple of years because of how dismissive people can get about opinions they disagree with. It's a much more nasty and unforgiving board than WP when I think about it, and it's very harsh on newbies. Of course, this doesn't mean that posters on WP should just take comfort in the notion that there are worse places out there, or that concern about negative/dismissive posts on WP is invalid. It's good that there can be open discussion on this topic.

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Tuttle wrote:
Elitism - either "autistic people are better than neurotypical people" or "Aspies are better than those with classic autism".

Also, people with more challenges being discredited and left out.


Also, I notice those who don't have so many challenges frequently having their diagnosis challenged and being made to feel like they are not autistic enough to belong here...


Yeah, seen both. Up to and including being called an Uncle Tom. 8O


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26 Jan 2013, 6:08 pm

Yeah, youtube comments are really awful.

WP is calmer saner place than most internetz places.



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