29 Nov 2013, 4:41 pm
29 Nov 2013, 4:51 pm
29 Nov 2013, 7:42 pm
you're definitely prone to AS style monologue 
It was a good read, I've long since been obsessed with diet and it's suspected affects on mental well being but not investigated things to anywhere near your level of detail. It's very commendable Sir 
In my late teens I did notice a really fausty taste in my mouth lasting about 6 years, which in hindsight may have been caused by antibiotics prescribed for acne years previous in my mid teens . I couldn't get rid of this weird oral taste no matter how fastidiously I kept brushing my teeth . Then one day, by chance I started eating extra virgin olive oil, something i'd not previously done, ever. the fausty taste quickly disapeared. the same affect was later achieved with natural pro biotic organic yogurt. While I never experienced difficulties to your degree and strongly belief we are all different and there is no umbrella panacea. I feel that a far milder version of your illness may have afflicted me and still to this day i'm vunerable to it coming back. I'm a sugar addict but did stop for a few years, coincidently around the same time I constantly ate walnuts which are high in magnesium(a mineral you recommend) That period Is the healthiest I have ever felt, possessing a clarity of thinking, along with positive moods and stamina levels unbeffiting of man my age.
P.s. I think you might have a bit of hypochondriasis coupled with hypomania. WOOHOO JOIN THE CLUB 
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29 Nov 2013, 7:47 pm
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I wasn't belittling dietary changes. Again (I might be thinking of another post here), I was careful to word my post. I was belittling crazy, groundless, widespread dietary changes, particularly when made by people who seem to have very little understanding of biology and when many of the suggestions (like taking multivitamins) are outright wrong. There is a lot of evidence that some foods can cause bad reactions in some people, and when that is the case those people shouldn't eat them.
Cutting out all sugar will usually lead to serious health complications, and cutting out dairy products entirely needs to be done carefully, with a substitute (e.g. soya, or lactose-free milk). I find it strange that he is ramping up Vitamin D intake but drastically cutting calcium intake. If he has replaced his calcium then he should have said where from. Relying on vegetable sources can be a bad move because many vegetables prevent calcium absorption, spinach in particular. You would need vast quantities of nuts, seeds and herbs to get as much calcium as people usually get from dairy sources.
Cutting out all sugar will usually lead to serious health complications, and cutting out dairy products entirely needs to be done carefully, with a substitute (e.g. soya, or lactose-free milk). I find it strange that he is ramping up Vitamin D intake but drastically cutting calcium intake. If he has replaced his calcium then he should have said where from. Relying on vegetable sources can be a bad move because many vegetables prevent calcium absorption, spinach in particular. You would need vast quantities of nuts, seeds and herbs to get as much calcium as people usually get from dairy sources.
Actually i am paleo myself and paleo people did not have sources of calcium via diary products. You can gain a lot of calcium via green leafy veg such as kale (not so much spinach no). Personally I also eat cheese though..goats rather then cows as I find goats easier to digest, but it provides calcium all the same.
Nuts are also a reasonable source of calcium as is mineral water. Water is a source of calcium as well as magnesium which is often not considered.
I do not take supplements as I do not feel they are a good replacement for a nutritionally healthy diet.
I do limit some sugars..but mostly processed. I still eat starchy veg, tubers, fruit and honey....so am not low carb myself. I also eat non gluten grains such as oats and brown rice.
I did try low carb and did not like it...I felt ill on it especially as I weight lift and do cardio on an almost daily basis.
I do not consume soya as i have issues with it. I also have problems with cows dairy but goats milk/cheese/yoghurt is reasonably ok for me. I personally would not cut my calcium intake as I was a premature baby who suffered from hypocalcemia and repeated seizures as a result (I do not know if it would affect me now but am aware that low levels of calcium in the blood can cause problems) but all the same I have pursued some of the same dietary changes as goldfish has.
I just do not like pseudoscience is all as a replacement for a nutritionally balanced eating plan, paleo or otherwise.
But paleo people usually died of natural causes around their late 30s? So is the paleo diet coming with recommendations? If so, who from?
Hordes of dead 30 year olds?
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29 Nov 2013, 8:12 pm
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Looks to me like you found a good if extreme cure for your candida, and that helps you then I'm happy that you have recovered from your illness.
I still disbelieve your claims of a cure for autism though, simply because there is no medical evidence that you ever had autism apart from having read a couple of books
I see no correlation whatsoever between a diet with enemas and curing a neurological condition like autism - if it was that simple then scientists would have already started to develop those regimes.
Here in Europe where it would be far cheaper to cure autism through a diet than it is to provide all the help and support those with ASD require from their governments.
I do see diet as being essential to good health, both mental and physical, and I'm very conscious and careful of what I eat, but I don't kid myself that any diet is going to cure my ASD.
I still disbelieve your claims of a cure for autism though, simply because there is no medical evidence that you ever had autism apart from having read a couple of books
I see no correlation whatsoever between a diet with enemas and curing a neurological condition like autism - if it was that simple then scientists would have already started to develop those regimes.
Here in Europe where it would be far cheaper to cure autism through a diet than it is to provide all the help and support those with ASD require from their governments.
I do see diet as being essential to good health, both mental and physical, and I'm very conscious and careful of what I eat, but I don't kid myself that any diet is going to cure my ASD.
The evidence I have is my lifetime of experiences that match precisely to Autism/Asperger's as described in detail in The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome by Dr. Tony Attwood as well as to the autobiographies of John Michael Carley & John Elder Robison etc. whether you believe me or not makes no difference to what I know to be true. Further, I know what's changed in the last 6 months or so & it is Night & Day differences. I have never been happier or healthier in my entire life, and the autism/other symptoms are down ~95%.
This is directed to you, but also to everyone else in general:
why hypothesize about me being incorrect and make assumptions and jump to conclusions rather than be open minded about the possibility that what physically afflicted me and caused these symptoms MAY be the same in you.. and in turn, the possibility that what I've done that's benefited me immensely may also work for you? why not try it and find out for yourself, your health, your life vs. make up reasons not to? If you try it and do it religiously you'll notice significant benefits within the first few weeks or so. It won't take 6 months to figure out whether it's doing you any good or not. Also, take a look at an iridology chart & check out your own iris' for indication of leaky gut as a preliminary diagnostic tool.
To each their own; but I choose health.
I don't need to make up reasons not to do your 'cure', why make up reasons when I have plenty of real reasons not to bother?
My physical health is fine thanks - I have no problems that could be linked to diet etc, because I'm always careful to watch my diet. I cook everything myself from fresh ingredients just to be sure that there is nothing unnatural going into my body. I never touch anything that isn't organic and fresh, and avoid anything with additives and preservatives in them. Something I have done for 30+ years now.
I have no intention of trying your herbal enemas and extreme diet because I have no health issues that would warrant such an extreme solution.
And I stand by my assertion that you cannot cure autism with a diet. Autism is a neurological condition which develops in very early development and cannot be reversed once it happens.
You cannot rewire your brain with a diet and herbal enema's, not ever.
All you did was cure your candida
I don't think the dysfunction caused by autism is soley restricted to the brain. That is an absurd notion unless your brain is housed in a glass jar on top of the television it will interact with the rest of the body and vice versa.
I'm interested in goldfish knowledge about nuero transmiters dopamine, acetylcholine, etc sourced in the gut. any links?
29 Nov 2013, 8:28 pm
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Here's my basic problem with it. There are *so many* dietary changes that you made, there's no way to know *which* of the changes may have sublimated your apparent symptoms.
So, let's say that the dietary changes (some/all of them) fixed some of the physical issues sapping your energy. OK, you now have more energy. If I had more energy, I'd find it a lot easier to manage my ASD behaviours. They tireder I am, the harder I find it to cope, and the more "aspie" I become - and vice versa.
And... you can't discount the placebo effect. That's actual science - if you've had some physical improvements, you might be, for want of a better word, believing yourself well.
However, I'd tend to agree with some of the others who've commented that for someone who's "fixed" most of their autistic symptoms, your post reads like a "special interest".
Anyway, I'm not discounting the idea that it actually did something for you, but claiming that it will fix autism is a very long bow to draw, and feels like it sails awfully close to Wakeford's enterocolitis autism claims.
So, let's say that the dietary changes (some/all of them) fixed some of the physical issues sapping your energy. OK, you now have more energy. If I had more energy, I'd find it a lot easier to manage my ASD behaviours. They tireder I am, the harder I find it to cope, and the more "aspie" I become - and vice versa.
And... you can't discount the placebo effect. That's actual science - if you've had some physical improvements, you might be, for want of a better word, believing yourself well.
However, I'd tend to agree with some of the others who've commented that for someone who's "fixed" most of their autistic symptoms, your post reads like a "special interest".
Anyway, I'm not discounting the idea that it actually did something for you, but claiming that it will fix autism is a very long bow to draw, and feels like it sails awfully close to Wakeford's enterocolitis autism claims.
Except so many of the dietary changes are all to the same end: stop fuelling the infection with foods it thrives on, feed yourself foods that kill the infection, feed yourself foods that repair the damage done by the infection, feed yourself probiotics to rebalance the gut.
The benefits are not just physical/energy. They're neurological. Nearly every symptom of adhd/ocd/tourettes/autism/dyspraxia/depression/anxiety etc have been nearly eliminated. Everything from the hyperactivity of excessive talking to the propensity to do things with one hand vs. two to fine motor skills/balance/coordination to just generally thinking, and therefore feeling, much much better.
"Special interest," or not, it is what it is - and in the beginning, yes, I'd agree.. I did take a special interest in this regiment and my health. I was able to utilize the one-track-mind special interest nature of autism to help myself treat it.
I've never heard of wakeford's enterocolitis autism claims & thus have no idea what you're talking about.
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The benefits are not just physical/energy. They're neurological. Nearly every symptom of adhd/ocd/tourettes/autism/dyspraxia/depression/anxiety etc have been nearly eliminated. Everything from the hyperactivity of excessive talking.[/quote]
I Don't won't to join a witch hunt here, I liked your enthusiasm and discipline in persueing a cure. But your opening salvo was quite verbose, are you Absolutely sure to be cured of excessive talking or has it merely transferred onto excessive typing?
The person claiming skin isn't permeable. Certain forms of Mercury can penetrate human skin. See mad hatters tea party.
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29 Nov 2013, 9:58 pm
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After earlier being very critical of Goldfish I have stayed away from posting further as I do not have much nutritional knowledge to make any kind of comment about the diet itself.
Yes he did say it was a rough draft so attacking him for the presentation looking like a rough draft is unfair.
The choice is presented as continuing the same bad status quo or try the diet and see if it improves things. The way Goldfish sees it there is nothing to lose by trying it. What I do not understand is how Goldfish fails to understand there could be a bad outcome. The diet may worsen bad symptoms, create new bad symptoms or negate good traits. If you are what you eat and you eat food that while good for another is bad for you the outcome could be very negative indeed. We re being asked to be guinea pigs. It is a very rational choice to let others be the guinea pigs. That said one is always taking a chance. Even the best medically approved treatments may work for 95% of the people and be bad for you. Goldfish is yelling experience, experience, experience but what is wrong to wanting to lesson the chance of a bad outcome by choosing a treatment where most people have had a good experience preferably in a scientific setting over a treatment that 1 or 2 people on the internet claim produce miraculous results.
In his presentation Goldfish noted that there were times he thought he had gotten it right only to crash. This time he has gone longer with good results but it is logical to wonder if he will crash again.
As so many have mentioned apparent autistic traits remain in the way this is continues to be presented so why should people believe that a cure or even a masking treatment has been presented?
Yes he did say it was a rough draft so attacking him for the presentation looking like a rough draft is unfair.
The choice is presented as continuing the same bad status quo or try the diet and see if it improves things. The way Goldfish sees it there is nothing to lose by trying it. What I do not understand is how Goldfish fails to understand there could be a bad outcome. The diet may worsen bad symptoms, create new bad symptoms or negate good traits. If you are what you eat and you eat food that while good for another is bad for you the outcome could be very negative indeed. We re being asked to be guinea pigs. It is a very rational choice to let others be the guinea pigs. That said one is always taking a chance. Even the best medically approved treatments may work for 95% of the people and be bad for you. Goldfish is yelling experience, experience, experience but what is wrong to wanting to lesson the chance of a bad outcome by choosing a treatment where most people have had a good experience preferably in a scientific setting over a treatment that 1 or 2 people on the internet claim produce miraculous results.
In his presentation Goldfish noted that there were times he thought he had gotten it right only to crash. This time he has gone longer with good results but it is logical to wonder if he will crash again.
As so many have mentioned apparent autistic traits remain in the way this is continues to be presented so why should people believe that a cure or even a masking treatment has been presented?
If it make anything worse, stop doing it. Real simple. If it works for you as it is me, then keep doing it. Real simple.
I'm not asking you to be guinea pigs and test out some new bathtub concocted pharmaceutical that I've never even tried myself. I'm suggesting that you try something that I've already tried on myself that is working with results I'd never imagined possible. Big difference - so not sure how you figure I'm asking you to be a guinea pig at all ?? I'm saying I've already done/am doing this, it's working, and if you'd like to see if it'll work for you feel free to try it and find out.
If you re-read what I wrote, there are explanations for the crashes in past successful treatments - explanations that prove candidiasis was the root cause of the other symptoms as well as the reason why previously attempted treatments did not continue to work or improve my health. with the Dexedrine, it helped in the beginning but then ended up fuelling the infection as it thrives on stimulants. Then with the epsom salt lotion to detox salicylate acids, which I still use daily, it wasn't enough to continue improving symptoms that were being made worse by the worsening leaky gut. It still continues to detox salicylate acids for me and has not stopped working. Symptoms got worse because the infection got worse.
Again, I'm not asking you to flat out just take my word for it. I'm suggesting you mimic what I've done diet wise, and other treatments afterwards to accelerate healing if you're having success with the diet and want to go as hardcore as I have, and see for yourself if it does for you what it is doing for me. It's really not that hard to buy a few spices at the grocery store and eliminate a handful of things from your diet for 2-3 weeks to find out if it's going to do anything for you. After all, you only have the rest of your life to live.. and this could allow you to live it better. within 2-3 weeks you'll know if it's working for you, and then if it is you won't want to stop.
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Good attempt to distract from the topic at hand- your claims which are not supported by science
Again, it'll cost you less time & energy to go to a grocery store and buy some basic ingredients and give this a shot for a few weeks to see it it begins having positive results for yourself as it has me. There would be your evidence via experience - either it works or it doesn't. So absurd that a so called "scientist," wouldn't choose to observe an experiment themselves vs. attempt to scour the internet for someone else' observations.
There are people out there who swear blind that water has cured several diseases they've suffered. There are people out there who swear blind that sticking needles in certain spots in one's back has cured many different conditions, and people who say that needles in those spots do nothing, you have to choose different spots. There are people who believe you can cure ear ache by sticking "special candles" in your ears, people who believe their insomnia was cured by overdosing on vitamins, people who believe they have been healed by asking a mysterious being to help them, and people who believe their encounter with a unicorn cured their social anxiety.
"Your own experience" is clearly not reliable, because those people are wrong.
There are two important things to consider here:
1) Regression to the mean- when things are at their worst, they tend to get better; when things are at their best, they tend to get worse.
You mention being at a low point in your life. You made some weird dietary changes, started exercising more, and got better. Then you got worse. You made some drastic, totally bizarre dietary changes at the suggestion of some unqualified quacks (the very people I just described) and got better. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Autism is a condition where you have good spells and bad spells. This is particularly true if you have a whole bunch of co-morbids, as you do.
If I tried your crazy diet, I would probably do worse. One, I would be unhappy because I would be living on a crazy diet, and two, I am at a good point in my life right now and it is inevitable that I will get worse at some point.
2) The placebo effect
This is where quacks do really well. They pay attention to the patient, allowing them to talk about their stresses and so forth, which has a therapeutic quality. Then, they make the patient feel special, and give them a treatment that is "specially tailored to your needs". As placebos go, they are amongst the most powerful.
Science does two things:
1) It allows for statistical analysis, so we can tell that something isn't just due to chance (as your miracle cure almost certainly is)
2) It allows for comparison against the placebo effect
You have to understand that many other people have made extraordinary claims about making convoluted adjustments to your diet before. Like you, they often make their claims sound sciencey ("tumeric is an anti-fungal so can fight yeast") but don't actually check if they are supported by science. Like you, they often hate on things which have been shown to not be harmful, such as vaccinations and GM crops. Like you, they show little understanding of basic scientific concepts, instead talking in vague, unfalsiable terms about things like "detox". They are all ultimately shown to be wrong. Look up Gillian McKeith or Patrick Holford as high profile examples who have been exposed as fraudsters.
I'm not saying "this didn't help you"... I'm saying "this probably won't reliably help other people, and you would probably have got better anyway if you had essentially done the same thing but eaten completely different foods".
Well done on the yeast thing, that's a great discovery that might get to the roots of some of your health problems, but you won't cure it by eating tumeric.
Doctors who are not MD's are not "quacks." Yes, fraudsters exist. My friend Dr. Keyzer is not a "quack." Further, he simply offered up the guess of a diagnosis in a single word, "candidiasis," - I'm the one who researched it online & learned what to eat and do to treat it and decided to go completely full on with it. The results I've achieved are exactly as I claim they are.
You want to take about bizarre? It seems bizarre to me that you, or anyone suffering from Autism symptoms, wouldn't be willing to change your diet for 2-3 weeks to find out if doing this benefits you or not.
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29 Nov 2013, 10:12 pm
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I wasn't belittling dietary changes. Again (I might be thinking of another post here), I was careful to word my post. I was belittling crazy, groundless, widespread dietary changes, particularly when made by people who seem to have very little understanding of biology and when many of the suggestions (like taking multivitamins) are outright wrong. There is a lot of evidence that some foods can cause bad reactions in some people, and when that is the case those people shouldn't eat them.
Cutting out all sugar will usually lead to serious health complications, and cutting out dairy products entirely needs to be done carefully, with a substitute (e.g. soya, or lactose-free milk). I find it strange that he is ramping up Vitamin D intake but drastically cutting calcium intake. If he has replaced his calcium then he should have said where from. Relying on vegetable sources can be a bad move because many vegetables prevent calcium absorption, spinach in particular. You would need vast quantities of nuts, seeds and herbs to get as much calcium as people usually get from dairy sources.
Cutting out all sugar will usually lead to serious health complications, and cutting out dairy products entirely needs to be done carefully, with a substitute (e.g. soya, or lactose-free milk). I find it strange that he is ramping up Vitamin D intake but drastically cutting calcium intake. If he has replaced his calcium then he should have said where from. Relying on vegetable sources can be a bad move because many vegetables prevent calcium absorption, spinach in particular. You would need vast quantities of nuts, seeds and herbs to get as much calcium as people usually get from dairy sources.
I consume very very little in the way of carbohydrates. A couple organic brown rice cakes/day & whatever carbs are in seeds and nuts. In the beginning, cashews are to be avoided as they're too starchy compared to other nuts.
I also have eaten next to no dairy products at all since I was 12 years old. I can't remember the last time I drank a glass of milk. I've eaten a bit of cheese or ice cream here and there, but extremely little dairy overall. I currently take a calcium supplement pill.
I'm not a biologist, but I'm fairly confident I have a better understanding of biology than you give me credit for.
And again, it seems absolutely bizarre to me that you'd write off what I've written as bs w/o even being willing to give it a shot for a couple weeks to see if it works for you. There's nothing in the diet that can harm you unless you know you have some severe allergy to a particular herb.
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Call it whatever you want.
This is working unimaginably well for me. You're welcome to try it and see if it works for you. OR do as you've always done and get as you've always got - it's not going to harm my health or happiness any if you (directed at everyone) aren't interested in reducing/eliminating symptoms that are hindering your lives.
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:lol: Call it whatever you want.
This is working unimaginably well for me. You're welcome to try it and see if it works for you. OR do as you've always done and get as you've always got - it's not going to harm my health or happiness any if you (directed at everyone) aren't interested in reducing/eliminating symptoms that are hindering your lives.
This is working unimaginably well for me. You're welcome to try it and see if it works for you. OR do as you've always done and get as you've always got - it's not going to harm my health or happiness any if you (directed at everyone) aren't interested in reducing/eliminating symptoms that are hindering your lives.
This is the most annoying thread ever.
Let me boil down every single response that's been made to you so far, goldfish21: In addition to "trying it and seeing if it works for you" and "doing what you've always done and get what you've always got", there's a third option, "making an insane and change to one's diet and lifestyle based on a sample size of one guy and then ending up really sick". You ignore this latter option and you ignore every person who points it out to you.
How could eating ultra low carb, high protein, veggies, herbs & spices for a couple of weeks make you really sick?
You'd think that everyone who ever attempted the Atkins diet would be keeling over barfing on day 2 from the way some of you guys are posting.
Like a broken record: Try it for yourself & know via personal experience whether it works for you or not vs. calling bs on something you've never bothered to try. It really is that simple.
And again, it seems absolutely bizarre to me that people would knock this vs. be interested in trying it to see if it curbs their symptoms. It's almost as if you've become attached to your symptoms and labels like a part of your identity(ies) and are reluctant to do anything that might help you overcome them because you're afraid of change and what might happen if you actual get better. Pretty silly things to fear... because what happens is e v e r y t h i n g gets better.
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