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Then you cannot possibly have AS. (unless they are lying.)

I hope you're kidding. I lived in my current place for about 6 years, I don't know if anyone within 200 miles knows me enough to even say they like me. Besides, it is still a ways to friend from like. And NTs freely at least CLAIM to go further.

Steve

People are talking in the theoretical in this thread. I provided a list of the 82 people who post the most often so there is a lot data on what those people have said. If the original poster is correct a large number of them do not have AS. They all claim to have AS be it diagnosis or undiagnosed. He needs to provide some data to back up his claim instead of mere guessing.

Yes i was kidding Steve.

Machine1. If i was a betting man, then i would bet on everyone of them not having AS (bar a few). Thats assuming you are laying evens, (ie. say $10 to win $10).
I think i would end up in profit if i bet them all not having AS.

Of course, it would be impossible to prove, until we have the brain scan or genetic technology.

From a purely diagnostic standpoint that would have no validity, Machine, because no "expert" or otherwise (Neurologist, Psychologist, Psychiatrist, etc.) would make a diagnosis of Asperger's based strictly on posts on a forum. They would be run out of their profession and deservedly so.

Might be impossible to prove they have aspergers but seems one could find enough data to show they did not have it. It should be rather simple to reduce them to PDD-NOS buy eliminating a few criteria in the DSM-IV. The very supposition your making means you must have away now to determine if a person is more likely than not does not have aspergers or you would not be making such statements. So start reviewing the 82 case profiles I provided.

Oh and Steve is one of the 82 on the list so you might as well start by reading his back posts and decide ounce and for all if you think he is aspie or not.

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I agree one can not diagnose but one can elimate the possibility of aspergers from data
provided in public forum on asperger in which people are providing lots of details on their lives.

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This topic has grown in size.
Why is everybody trying to prove that 'they' are the ones that have AS?

I'm don't know who has AS and who is pretending, who cares? I think it is pretty sad if you choose to be catergorised as AS even though you recognise that your features don't match those that catergorise as AS.
Those that choose to be recognised as having a social disability and uniqueness is craving for attention. people with AS are not Attention seekers, so choosing to be just that creates a bigger distance between yourself and the disablity that you are so craving to be considered.

Once of the concerns I have with Fakers is to do with offering advice to troubled authentic AS users.

We have had threads like this in the pasts and the purpose was to abuse those not officially diagnosed. Its been mentioned in this thread atleast ounce that the un-officially should not be allowed to post on WP.

How would you do that? You can't observe sensory problems, stims, eye contact, face recognition, etc. How would you do that? If they aren't observed and they were faking, it would be easy enough for them to say, I avoid all eye contact and you would actually have no way to know.

If they say they have friends, you still have no way to know. Some people on here talk about people they know and I've thought they actually knew them in real life. It turned out they only knew them over the internet and considered them friends. If I disqualified them based on what I originally thought, it would be erroneous.

Do you see the gap?

Sorry, I know I freak about details, but that's my thing. I want to know exactly how this would work.

My supposition is based purely on statistics and gambling theory.
edit: I will leave reviewing the 82 case profiles provided, there is much more money to be made 'gambling' elsewhere.

The DSM-IV does not depend on most the above. No question people here could fake anything. But presumable they must be making logical erors some where that has allowed persons to detect they might not have aspergers or this thread would not exsist. I mean people can not have it both ways they can not say that fake aspergers is widespread then say there is no way they can prove that.



You answered your own question on farther reading of the person posts. I have read persons entire post histories many times here and that is the kinda of thing I expect those making claims of fake aspergers to do. Read a person entire histroy till they can provide quoted text , url links and the DSM-IV criteria for aspergers that is not being meet by the quoted text.

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That's why NTs spend most of their times in a conversation judging whether others are being serious and telling the truth or kidding/lying

I do

I suppose mnemotechnics work precisely by association, like associating words with an acronym. Nothing exceptional, you simply do it like a pro.

Well I guess you can understand how that is no comfort to those that feel they have been ostracised by this thread.

But then some people might never post those things for a number of reasons (people read this board, they aren't comfortable talking about it, etc.). By the way, I know of no professional who diagnoses strictly based on the DSM-IV. They all agree they have to use other criteria. There are whole lists of so-called expert criteria they use. The DSM-IV is broad and ambiguous. It could be intepreted in many ways.

Again, I don't think there is anyway you can reasonably tell from posts. There are too many gaps. People might give plenty of personal history on here, but you could never count on them having listed every single pertinent detail.

Now that you mention it.