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28 Dec 2016, 4:39 am

wilburforce wrote:
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I can also confirm what BirdInFlight has said. I remember threads that EzraS was involved in, where he was very accusatory and aggressive.


Well considering how accusatory and aggressive BirdinFlight has been towards me in this thread, it was obviously a two way street. So you or her don't actually have a legitimate complaint. Just a gripe and a grudge. Now this is where you start crying about how mean I'm being to you and how rude I am, right? And then two years from now, you can go on about how badly I mistreated you in this thread. And then a couple of others in this thread will so up to back you up.

Everybody seeing how this works?


If you can't remember the conversation, how can you know whether you were unnecessarily rude and dismissive or not? How do you know BIF is being unfairly "aggressive" in her representation of the argument (which was months ago, not years ago) if you admittedly don't remember the conversation or her at all? :?


I'm applying my interpretation based on deductive reasoning. It takes two to tango. Someone is just being a butthurt crybaby.

And what's the point of all this, a few people trying to convince everyone else that I'm rude and aggressive? Well then tough sh!t, don't read my posts or interact with me if that's how they want to see it, I really couldn't care less.

Any legitimate complaints against me can be submitted to WP moderators.


The problem with that is while you are using "deductive reasoning" to analyse a conversation you don't actually remember, we actually remember it. You were very harsh with BIF when she was just trying to help you understand that not everyone's struggles look the same from the outside and asking you not to invalidate her diagnosis because you can't understand what it's like to be "higher functioning" (I personally hate that term, but don't know what else to use in its place). That's what happened. And because this was just months ago and was very upsetting for BIF, asking this same question again was bound to prick at those not-healed wounds--and you not remembering the previous conversation does not make it reasonable to expect that everyone else should feel as little about it as you do because you don't remember it. This seems to be a pattern with you when anyone confronts you with something you've said about a topic you admittedly don't understand, you get very sarcastic and dismissive in your tone. I know tone is hard to manage on the internet/in text and that might not be your intention to sound so snarky, but that has been the impression you have left with a few of us. It's creating difficulties in communication, misunderstandings. I am trying to be diplomatic here, but I'm not used to talking to teenagers (not since I was one a couple decades ago) so I don't really know how to go about that. No one thinks you should leave


Memories can be very subjective and therefore unreliable. Find the thread and post the link. If you remember it so clearly, that shouldn't be a problem for you. Back up your accusations please.

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[All we are asking is that you consider the tone you take with people sometimes, and how that impacts communication with you.


Okay.

And ditto to those who choose to get into it with me.

Like I said, legitimate complaints regarding my conduct should be submitted to WP staff. So far I have received zero infractions or warnings regarding my conduct over the last three years.



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28 Dec 2016, 5:19 am

If one's Autism or AS is so that extremely "invisible" and "goes under the radar" to the extant that no one, not even the experts, can see it, then this one doesn't have any form of Autism.

From another old thread (i found its link below) I wrote things very relevant to this topic:

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AS = symptoms of AS, one can't exist without the other.

Ask any psychiatrist on that.

After all, "having AS" IS "having the symptoms and behaviors of AS" - AS is not a kind of independent entity that exists even if you don't have the symptoms associated wth AS (yes, AS is suposed to be a neurological difference with genetic roots but still no proof, for all practical effects it is a behavioural condition, defined by symptoms ONLY).

In cancer for example, you may have a cancer diagnosis because doctors can see the tumor even if you are not showing any symptoms.

But for Autism, this isn't possible, so far. If you have zero visible symptoms, then you can't be diagnosed with Autism
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Only if one day Autism gets a known molecular etiology (biological definition) like Rett Syndrome and Down Syndrome Ie. mutation of gene ABC on Chromosome X...etc, deletion of something in chromosome 3..etc

What if one day Autism gets a such biological definition and you turn out you don't have it after they check your DNA? You would still believe you're autistic just because of your life experience? Personally, I wouldn't - I would accept that I was simply extremely introvert.


I am still having the same opinion.



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28 Dec 2016, 5:24 am

It is a shame that this thread went so much off topic.

Aggression does not help someone to understand the topic... I think it's time to cut Ezra some slack, no need to strengthen these unnecessarily negative associations... the relationship between the various sub categories of ASD does not need more division.

Reacting emotionally and basing what could be a rational discussion on these conditioned sensitivities is not helping matters, as there is a bigger picture.

Can anyone relate to being a prickly teenager? :D
I can!



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28 Dec 2016, 5:28 am

BOO! I was wondering where you were. :D

Since we last had this conversation (which you may or may not remember,) I have been diagnosed with residual autism and bipolar disorder. So now I have one diagnosis of autism, one of residual autism and one of bipolar, not to mention associated depression and anxiety.

I read an article once from NIMH about how autism, schizophrenia and bipolar are genetically linked and I think this is the case. The characteristics blend to a certain extent.



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28 Dec 2016, 5:30 am

From what I have read on here over the years, I think having any severe forms of autism or any visible conditions is easier than coming off as normal because when you appear normal, you are more likely to face abuse from your peers and school staff. That can do a toll on your self esteem and give you anxiety and depression and PTSD and make your problems worse. Plus when it's obvious you have something, you get more respect and it's easier to have friends and fit in and be accepted but when you look normal, everyone has higher expectations of you. I couldn't figure out as a kid how is it that kids who looked different and were more different than me could be "normal" because they somehow got people to accept them. One of them was even social and had friends and interacted with them and she would say hi to me whenever she passed me in the halls. We both went to the same school together when I was in preschool and we also were in the same classroom when I was six. Then we were both in the same regular school in a regular classroom. I also noticed how kids in wheelchairs got help from the staff and my mom explained to me it was because they were so different of course they helped them but because I looked like everyone else, they didn't want to help me. I had an impression they just wanted normal kids but yet I couldn't understand how they can be so kind to the wheelchair people and to a girl who had Down's syndrome and this other boy who looked so different than everyone else because he had some body deformity and he couldn't talk so he communicated using a card that had letters on it and he did his school work on the computer because he couldn't hold a pencil and write but he was smart as the rest of us. Also those kids got more respect than I did.

I am not saying that no one with obvious disabilities don't ever get abused nor am I saying it doesn't ever happen.


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28 Dec 2016, 5:36 am

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From what I have read on here over the years, I think having any severe forms of autism or any visible conditions is easier than coming off as normal because when you appear normal, you are more likely to face abuse from your peers and school staff.



Oh come on, are you telling me you prefer to not be able to speak at all, bang your head all day or something like that, and not being able to live remotely normal?



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28 Dec 2016, 5:40 am

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Plus when it's obvious you have something, you get more respect and it's easier to have friends and fit in and be accepted but when you look normal, everyone has higher expectations of you. I couldn't figure out as a kid how is it that kids who looked different and were more different than me could be "normal" because they somehow got people to accept them.

I can relate to this. When people see you as "normal" they don't cut you any slack for social difficulties.



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28 Dec 2016, 5:43 am

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BOO! I was wondering where you were. :D


Huh? :|



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28 Dec 2016, 5:55 am

The way I see it...he's learning...if the first time he started this tread he was offensive....now he seems more defensive... He might not remember it but he's learning some how...


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28 Dec 2016, 6:06 am

If there is nothing wrong with the person then there is nothing wrong. However in a lot of cases there are pretty severe problems that usually appear in specific areas. For me I've had major social difficulties and academic trouble despite testing very high in many areas, I just can't seem to apply. Not only that but I've missed out on some pretty major social queues and have very noticeable stereotypical aspergian traits when communicating. In fact all of us do (at least those of us who aren't neurotyp) so in most cases they're noticeable or there undiagnosed or don't have ASDs.



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28 Dec 2016, 6:22 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Huh? :|

In this thread.

I'm actually not sure what the point of this thread is. The title "Sorry I have to ask this" suggests some sort of culpability on the part of the OP. Perhaps this is because the suggestion is that older people who have survived without supports in early life are therefore not autistic, because if they were they would not have survived. It's kinda circular reasoning.



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28 Dec 2016, 6:38 am

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I have an extremely bad memory. Others are able to keep track of what I say much better than I can. The online friend that I talk to daily mentions stuff I have posted in the past that I do not remember saying. Or tell me I already asked him the same question a couple of times already, or don't I remember he explained to me how some aspect of the online game we play and I forgot. Also I am not good at keeping track of other members or remembering having conversations or arguments with them or whatever.

I try to ask questions in general or talk about a group in general. When I am discussing politics like I have been a lot, I just want to talk about how things seem with a whole group of people and not make it personal. But I suppose when I ask about or say something about a group, someone will take it personally. Most people this thread seem to understand why I asked the question I did and gave me good answers and it looks like a good thread with good information.




I dont really care about the "fight" and insults that were dished out, but if it was many years ago why bring it up now?
I dont forgive or forget, bu tif Ezra wasnt being offensive NOW does it really (in this case) matter what he said and thought MANY YEARS AGO (when he still was a child, btw)

EzraS: If you look through your posts on your own page, you can find whatever you said, and whatever they said, if you want to know for future reference


Yes, it is amazing to see how some members here have eternal grudges, that last for years, against certain members, the mob-attack on EzraS here was so amusing. :lol:



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28 Dec 2016, 6:40 am

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The way I see it...he's learning...if the first time he started this tread he was offensive....


What thread did I supposedly start? Link please.



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28 Dec 2016, 6:42 am

androbot01 wrote:
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Huh? :|

In this thread.

I'm actually not sure what the point of this thread is. The title "Sorry I have to ask this" suggests some sort of culpability on the part of the OP. Perhaps this is because the suggestion is that older people who have survived without supports in early life are therefore not autistic, because if they were they would not have survived. It's kinda circular reasoning.


Wrong. Try again.



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28 Dec 2016, 6:49 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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I have an extremely bad memory. Others are able to keep track of what I say much better than I can. The online friend that I talk to daily mentions stuff I have posted in the past that I do not remember saying. Or tell me I already asked him the same question a couple of times already, or don't I remember he explained to me how some aspect of the online game we play and I forgot. Also I am not good at keeping track of other members or remembering having conversations or arguments with them or whatever.

I try to ask questions in general or talk about a group in general. When I am discussing politics like I have been a lot, I just want to talk about how things seem with a whole group of people and not make it personal. But I suppose when I ask about or say something about a group, someone will take it personally. Most people this thread seem to understand why I asked the question I did and gave me good answers and it looks like a good thread with good information.


I dont really care about the "fight" and insults that were dished out, but if it was many years ago why bring it up now?
I dont forgive or forget, bu tif Ezra wasnt being offensive NOW does it really (in this case) matter what he said and thought MANY YEARS AGO (when he still was a child, btw)

EzraS: If you look through your posts on your own page, you can find whatever you said, and whatever they said, if you want to know for future reference


Yes, it is amazing to see how some members here have eternal grudges, that last for years, against certain members, the mob-attack on EzraS here was so amusing. :lol:


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28 Dec 2016, 6:55 am

EzraS wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Huh? :|

In this thread.

I'm actually not sure what the point of this thread is. The title "Sorry I have to ask this" suggests some sort of culpability on the part of the OP. Perhaps this is because the suggestion is that older people who have survived without supports in early life are therefore not autistic, because if they were they would not have survived. It's kinda circular reasoning.


Wrong. Try again.


Try what again?