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01 Mar 2017, 9:24 pm

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No, I'm only interested in SOUND opinions. I'm interested in your opinion, but I will challenge it if you can't back it up. Now, did you actually bother to read the initial post?


Yes I read your initial post and likened it to reading a physchology textbook yawn! I gleaned from it what your actual question was and I think I answered it. I'll repost it just in case you missed it

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I know of no other way of using the word Aspie unless it refers to someone with Aspergers. If the word Aspie has evolved and transcended to a different meaning - I dont know it :roll:


You can tell me I'm wrong or my opinion is outdated but it is what is

It's actually a moot point point anyway as I haven't been Dx .


I suggest you read the post again because you clearly didn't understand it very well as I answered your questions in it.


Clearly I didn't understand then :roll:


So, what is an aspie? If it's someone diagnosed with aspergers, then does diagnosis itself transform someone into one? If it's just someone with the potential to be diagnosed, you do realize impairment is required for diagnosis, but with learned skills impairment can be removed? And if someone gains skills so they no longer qualify for diagnosis, are they still an aspie?


OK , my take on this is Aspergers is a pervasive developmental disorder so once an Aspie always an Aspie even if your impairments get better because you still had a PDD which as far as I am aware is not curable although can be managed.

If you still think I don't understand , give up , coz I will if you don't.


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02 Mar 2017, 12:04 am

SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:

No, I'm only interested in SOUND opinions. I'm interested in your opinion, but I will challenge it if you can't back it up. Now, did you actually bother to read the initial post?


Yes I read your initial post and likened it to reading a physchology textbook yawn! I gleaned from it what your actual question was and I think I answered it. I'll repost it just in case you missed it

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I know of no other way of using the word Aspie unless it refers to someone with Aspergers. If the word Aspie has evolved and transcended to a different meaning - I dont know it :roll:


You can tell me I'm wrong or my opinion is outdated but it is what is

It's actually a moot point point anyway as I haven't been Dx .


I suggest you read the post again because you clearly didn't understand it very well as I answered your questions in it.


Clearly I didn't understand then :roll:


So, what is an aspie? If it's someone diagnosed with aspergers, then does diagnosis itself transform someone into one? If it's just someone with the potential to be diagnosed, you do realize impairment is required for diagnosis, but with learned skills impairment can be removed? And if someone gains skills so they no longer qualify for diagnosis, are they still an aspie?


OK , my take on this is Aspergers is a pervasive developmental disorder so once an Aspie always an Aspie even if your impairments get better because you still had a PDD which as far as I am aware is not curable although can be managed.

If you still think I don't understand , give up , coz I will if you don't.


That's not what pervasive developmental disorder means. Pervasive means it effects all areas of life (not really, but that's what it's supposed to mean), not that it's life long. In actuality, 1/10 people outgrow the diagnosis. So what you are saying is your defination of autism is not that used by the psychiatric community.


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02 Mar 2017, 12:55 am

Ganondox wrote:
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Ganondox wrote:
iliketrees wrote:
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From where I stand it's EXTREMELY obvious I know what I'm talking about and you don't

My point exactly - you need to step back and think critically about what you think you know. Of course it'll look like that from where you stand, it's human nature to do this.


You don't know what you're talking about because you don't know what you don't know. You think the problem is just my bias, but I know that I know things that you don't.

No, I think your problem is you think something but you don't know exactly why.


I know exactly why, I just can't provide you the information because that's not how the world works. It's because I've been studying this crap for years, both in school and outside of it.

Why can't you? If you're going to be stating it as fact, you need to, since people will always have questions - it's just how the world works, people aren't just going to take your word for it.


I don't even know what the hell you want me to do at this point, because you'd been rambling off topic for so long. How about you answer the topic question? Don't think you actually ever bothered to do that.

I want you to back up your very strong claims, as I've repeatedly stated. You've said that something is the medical model. Of course I'm going to chase you up on that, and saying vague things like "synthesis of knowledge" doesn't cut it. That's your understanding, fine, but it doesn't explain what even lead you to believe that, so it doesn't even come close to evidence for the medical definition.

Ok. To me, there is nothing important about it - I hate the word, it makes me cringe, and I think it refers to a mistake that's now/in the process of being corrected. I know some people still think Asperger's is distinct, but I don't. That's what it means to me.



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02 Mar 2017, 7:02 am

Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:

No, I'm only interested in SOUND opinions. I'm interested in your opinion, but I will challenge it if you can't back it up. Now, did you actually bother to read the initial post?


Yes I read your initial post and likened it to reading a physchology textbook yawn! I gleaned from it what your actual question was and I think I answered it. I'll repost it just in case you missed it

Quote:
I know of no other way of using the word Aspie unless it refers to someone with Aspergers. If the word Aspie has evolved and transcended to a different meaning - I dont know it :roll:


You can tell me I'm wrong or my opinion is outdated but it is what is

It's actually a moot point point anyway as I haven't been Dx .


I suggest you read the post again because you clearly didn't understand it very well as I answered your questions in it.


Clearly I didn't understand then :roll:


So, what is an aspie? If it's someone diagnosed with aspergers, then does diagnosis itself transform someone into one? If it's just someone with the potential to be diagnosed, you do realize impairment is required for diagnosis, but with learned skills impairment can be removed? And if someone gains skills so they no longer qualify for diagnosis, are they still an aspie?


OK , my take on this is Aspergers is a pervasive developmental disorder so once an Aspie always an Aspie even if your impairments get better because you still had a PDD which as far as I am aware is not curable although can be managed.

If you still think I don't understand , give up , coz I will if you don't.


That's not what pervasive developmental disorder means. Pervasive means it effects all areas of life (not really, but that's what it's supposed to mean), not that it's life long. In actuality, 1/10 people outgrow the diagnosis. So what you are saying is your defination of autism is not that used by the psychiatric community.


I've never trusted the psychiatric community , to me it's a pseudoscience but I've got to accept what they say if I want treatment. I've based everything I know about Aspergers on the 6 months I've been here on this forum and a few other sources and I might not even have it myself. Do you have your answer yet? , I really am insignificant to this thread and want to go now , mummy :cry: .


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03 Mar 2017, 5:37 am

iliketrees wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
iliketrees wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
iliketrees wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
iliketrees wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
From where I stand it's EXTREMELY obvious I know what I'm talking about and you don't

My point exactly - you need to step back and think critically about what you think you know. Of course it'll look like that from where you stand, it's human nature to do this.


You don't know what you're talking about because you don't know what you don't know. You think the problem is just my bias, but I know that I know things that you don't.

No, I think your problem is you think something but you don't know exactly why.


I know exactly why, I just can't provide you the information because that's not how the world works. It's because I've been studying this crap for years, both in school and outside of it.

Why can't you? If you're going to be stating it as fact, you need to, since people will always have questions - it's just how the world works, people aren't just going to take your word for it.


I don't even know what the hell you want me to do at this point, because you'd been rambling off topic for so long. How about you answer the topic question? Don't think you actually ever bothered to do that.

I want you to back up your very strong claims, as I've repeatedly stated. You've said that something is the medical model. Of course I'm going to chase you up on that, and saying vague things like "synthesis of knowledge" doesn't cut it. That's your understanding, fine, but it doesn't explain what even lead you to believe that, so it doesn't even come close to evidence for the medical definition.

Ok. To me, there is nothing important about it - I hate the word, it makes me cringe, and I think it refers to a mistake that's now/in the process of being corrected. I know some people still think Asperger's is distinct, but I don't. That's what it means to me.


I thought you were going on about something about age of onset or something. I already provided you all the information, it's right there in the DSM. I'm not making a bold claim at all, the problem is you fundamentally don't understand the DSM nor psychiatry in general.

So you're just wasting me time in this thread because you don't actually care about the discussion, so I will resume ignoring you.


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03 Mar 2017, 5:39 am

SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:

No, I'm only interested in SOUND opinions. I'm interested in your opinion, but I will challenge it if you can't back it up. Now, did you actually bother to read the initial post?


Yes I read your initial post and likened it to reading a physchology textbook yawn! I gleaned from it what your actual question was and I think I answered it. I'll repost it just in case you missed it

Quote:
I know of no other way of using the word Aspie unless it refers to someone with Aspergers. If the word Aspie has evolved and transcended to a different meaning - I dont know it :roll:


You can tell me I'm wrong or my opinion is outdated but it is what is

It's actually a moot point point anyway as I haven't been Dx .


I suggest you read the post again because you clearly didn't understand it very well as I answered your questions in it.


Clearly I didn't understand then :roll:


So, what is an aspie? If it's someone diagnosed with aspergers, then does diagnosis itself transform someone into one? If it's just someone with the potential to be diagnosed, you do realize impairment is required for diagnosis, but with learned skills impairment can be removed? And if someone gains skills so they no longer qualify for diagnosis, are they still an aspie?


OK , my take on this is Aspergers is a pervasive developmental disorder so once an Aspie always an Aspie even if your impairments get better because you still had a PDD which as far as I am aware is not curable although can be managed.

If you still think I don't understand , give up , coz I will if you don't.


That's not what pervasive developmental disorder means. Pervasive means it effects all areas of life (not really, but that's what it's supposed to mean), not that it's life long. In actuality, 1/10 people outgrow the diagnosis. So what you are saying is your defination of autism is not that used by the psychiatric community.


I've never trusted the psychiatric community , to me it's a pseudoscience but I've got to accept what they say if I want treatment. I've based everything I know about Aspergers on the 6 months I've been here on this forum and a few other sources and I might not even have it myself. Do you have your answer yet? , I really am insignificant to this thread and want to go now , mummy :cry: .


You don't have to trust them, but they are the ones who defined autism, and it's real science regardless of whether you acknowledge it as one. If you don't believe in the psychiatric community, then why are basing your defination of aspie around their diagnosis?


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03 Mar 2017, 7:03 am

Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:

No, I'm only interested in SOUND opinions. I'm interested in your opinion, but I will challenge it if you can't back it up. Now, did you actually bother to read the initial post?


Yes I read your initial post and likened it to reading a physchology textbook yawn! I gleaned from it what your actual question was and I think I answered it. I'll repost it just in case you missed it

Quote:
I know of no other way of using the word Aspie unless it refers to someone with Aspergers. If the word Aspie has evolved and transcended to a different meaning - I dont know it :roll:


You can tell me I'm wrong or my opinion is outdated but it is what is

It's actually a moot point point anyway as I haven't been Dx .


I suggest you read the post again because you clearly didn't understand it very well as I answered your questions in it.


Clearly I didn't understand then :roll:


So, what is an aspie? If it's someone diagnosed with aspergers, then does diagnosis itself transform someone into one? If it's just someone with the potential to be diagnosed, you do realize impairment is required for diagnosis, but with learned skills impairment can be removed? And if someone gains skills so they no longer qualify for diagnosis, are they still an aspie?


OK , my take on this is Aspergers is a pervasive developmental disorder so once an Aspie always an Aspie even if your impairments get better because you still had a PDD which as far as I am aware is not curable although can be managed.

If you still think I don't understand , give up , coz I will if you don't.


That's not what pervasive developmental disorder means. Pervasive means it effects all areas of life (not really, but that's what it's supposed to mean), not that it's life long. In actuality, 1/10 people outgrow the diagnosis. So what you are saying is your defination of autism is not that used by the psychiatric community.


I've never trusted the psychiatric community , to me it's a pseudoscience but I've got to accept what they say if I want treatment. I've based everything I know about Aspergers on the 6 months I've been here on this forum and a few other sources and I might not even have it myself. Do you have your answer yet? , I really am insignificant to this thread and want to go now , mummy :cry: .


You don't have to trust them, but they are the ones who defined autism, and it's real science regardless of whether you acknowledge it as one. If you don't believe in the psychiatric community, then why are basing your defination of aspie around their diagnosis?


If you had been locked up in the UK psychiatric system and have been in and out of them all your life you would then begin to understand where I come from. If I'm honest this thread is starting to do my head in , I'm gonna leave now , I'm sure your a lovely guy but I can't handle you anymore , I feel we are just going round in circles :D


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04 Mar 2017, 9:34 am

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it's right there in the DSM


Really? I'm not seeing it.

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So you're just wasting me time in this thread because you don't actually care about the discussion, so I will resume ignoring you.


My opinion being different to yours doesn't mean I don't care.



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05 Mar 2017, 9:36 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Ganondox wrote:

No, I'm only interested in SOUND opinions. I'm interested in your opinion, but I will challenge it if you can't back it up. Now, did you actually bother to read the initial post?


Yes I read your initial post and likened it to reading a physchology textbook yawn! I gleaned from it what your actual question was and I think I answered it. I'll repost it just in case you missed it

Quote:
I know of no other way of using the word Aspie unless it refers to someone with Aspergers. If the word Aspie has evolved and transcended to a different meaning - I dont know it :roll:


You can tell me I'm wrong or my opinion is outdated but it is what is

It's actually a moot point point anyway as I haven't been Dx .


I suggest you read the post again because you clearly didn't understand it very well as I answered your questions in it.


Clearly I didn't understand then :roll:


So, what is an aspie? If it's someone diagnosed with aspergers, then does diagnosis itself transform someone into one? If it's just someone with the potential to be diagnosed, you do realize impairment is required for diagnosis, but with learned skills impairment can be removed? And if someone gains skills so they no longer qualify for diagnosis, are they still an aspie?


OK , my take on this is Aspergers is a pervasive developmental disorder so once an Aspie always an Aspie even if your impairments get better because you still had a PDD which as far as I am aware is not curable although can be managed.

If you still think I don't understand , give up , coz I will if you don't.


That's not what pervasive developmental disorder means. Pervasive means it effects all areas of life (not really, but that's what it's supposed to mean), not that it's life long. In actuality, 1/10 people outgrow the diagnosis. So what you are saying is your defination of autism is not that used by the psychiatric community.


I've never trusted the psychiatric community , to me it's a pseudoscience but I've got to accept what they say if I want treatment. I've based everything I know about Aspergers on the 6 months I've been here on this forum and a few other sources and I might not even have it myself. Do you have your answer yet? , I really am insignificant to this thread and want to go now , mummy :cry: .


You don't have to trust them, but they are the ones who defined autism, and it's real science regardless of whether you acknowledge it as one. If you don't believe in the psychiatric community, then why are basing your defination of aspie around their diagnosis?


If you had been locked up in the UK psychiatric system and have been in and out of them all your life you would then begin to understand where I come from. If I'm honest this thread is starting to do my head in , I'm gonna leave now , I'm sure your a lovely guy but I can't handle you anymore , I feel we are just going round in circles :D


The problem isn't your problems with the UK psychiatric system, it's that you are paradoxically both using their definition and denying their authority. I'm basically saying the way aspie is used is NOT their definition.


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