Treatment of High Functioning Vs Lower Functioning on W.P
I don't think that's a very good idea. Autism varies a lot but generally if you can access the Internet then you're high functioning enough to be objective enough to cope with all manners of opinions. I really don't like safe spaces and many of you know.
I was under the impression that people who find their way here aren't that low functioning.
Perhaps a focus on the more vulnerable instead?
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Actually my mother was a social worker who worked with intellectually disabled kids. I used spend time during school holidays with the "special kids" and they were very very gentle and sweet. Mum used to leave me to play sport with the older clients who were in their 20s as she trusted them. We used to have great conversations.
"Vulnerable" ≠ "intelectually disabled".
"Severily autistic" ≠ "intelectually disabled".
In particular, some severily autistic people here have high verbal and/or non-verbal IQ.
Some people with mental health issues, both from WP and real life, have very high IQ.
Some "high functioning" people have deep, strong, potentially very damaging triggers.
There are many contexts but in general everyone has low expectations when you put people in a "low function" category
Reminding you that the purpose of this thread is to suggest ways to soften the approach here and ensure the protection of the vulnerable. Not every statement has to be disproved and dissected, soft skills are an asset and best applied on any support forum if it is not going to deteriorate into a toxic environment.
This thread is not an intellectual wrestling arena, sensitivity, empathy or just plain caring about other members is the only requirement. I am allowed to say how I perceive my own communication skills without being put in the dock and being cross -examined. Any more suggestions as to how we can safeguard an equal platform for all????
I'm a strong believer that intelligence should be used to help people ,rather than to put them down.
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Reminding you that the purpose of this thread is to suggest ways to soften the approach here and ensure the protection of the vulnerable. Not every statement has to be disproved and dissected, soft skills are an asset and best applied on any support forum if it is not going to deteriorate into a toxic environment.
This thread is not an intellectual wrestling arena, sensitivity, empathy or just plain caring about other members is the only requirement. I am allowed to say how I perceive my own communication skills without being put in the dock and being cross -examined. Any more suggestions as to how we can safeguard an equal platform for all????
I'm a strong believer that intelligence should be used to help people ,rather than to put them down.
Me too firemonkey. How are you today?
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I wouldn't go that far with it but I wouldn't also go as far as Teach proposes.
The Haven is intended to be a safe place for the easily triggered. I know it failed this summer and I still mourn it.
But we also need safe space for those socially clumsy, easily coming out as offensive. This is one of the possible presentations of ASD. People get in trouble for notorious miscommunications but they yearn for human interaction. Some are just incapable of navigating The Haven rules and still having meaningful interactions. Don't restrict them to one thread.
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Reminding you that the purpose of this thread is to suggest ways to soften the approach here and ensure the protection of the vulnerable. Not every statement has to be disproved and dissected, soft skills are an asset and best applied on any support forum if it is not going to deteriorate into a toxic environment.
This thread is not an intellectual wrestling arena, sensitivity, empathy or just plain caring about other members is the only requirement. I am allowed to say how I perceive my own communication skills without being put in the dock and being cross -examined. Any more suggestions as to how we can safeguard an equal platform for all????
I'm a strong believer that intelligence should be used to help people ,rather than to put them down.
Me too firemonkey. How are you today?
Thanlks for asking.
Mentally I'm quite good . Physically not so much Nothing major i.e lower back and hip pain that occurs when walking short distances, and balance,which has never been good anyway, has been even worse the last few months or so. I've had 3 sessions with an osteopath and I'm leaning less to the right than I have been, but it's still obvious I'm not standing as straight as the average person.
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Perhaps a focus on the more vulnerable instead?
That was my impression as well
Not necessarily. one person might be low functioning enough to be diagnosed as such, but be good at technology. Same as how some perfectly neuro typical people are awful with it. My dad is an intelligent NT who has no idea how to use a cell phone. God help him if he has to get a new printer. It's not pretty.

And the comment about if you can use a computer then you can cope with all manner of opinion is also nonsense. you're failing to take into consideration the mental space of people, higher or lower functioning. If a person is in a triggered/fragile place mentally and/or emotionally, for example, assuming they can cope with all opinions is similar to asking a. Person with one broken leg to walk it off because they have two legs and therefore should be able to walk it off. It makes no sense to me.
And I agree with what Magz is saying. By trying to contain people with certain traits to one place, that is, to me, just as hurtful and dismissive as telling someone to walk it off. It's like saying they are the problem and shouldn't be allowed to play with everyone else. The issues they have from their own disabilities/life experiences are valid. And people with autism disorders have social issues a lot of the time. I don't want to penalize anyone here for having the nerve to be who they are. Some things we can work on to improve ourselves, but none of us are perfect. I think extending patience and understanding to people who accidentally come off as offensive now and then is just as needed as much as having patience and understanding to those of us who might not be as high functioning as others here.
I'm not sure why if people are having problems here, why not just report the issues. Isn't that supposed to solve problems here? I get it there were problems in the past, but isn't that one of the things getting new/more mods was supposed to help? Is the idea here that it isn't helping and more solutions are needed?
maybe time will help members who've been around awhile feel comfortable posting once they see that things have changed or are changing. I know it's can take time to trust again. Maybe it's as simple as time being needed. Or maybe I'm being oblivious and too optimistic.

I wouldn't go that far with it but I wouldn't also go as far as Teach proposes.
The Haven is intended to be a safe place for the easily triggered. I know it failed this summer and I still mourn it.
But we also need safe space for those socially clumsy, easily coming out as offensive. This is one of the possible presentations of ASD. People get in trouble for notorious miscommunications but they yearn for human interaction. Some are just incapable of navigating The Haven rules and still having meaningful interactions. Don't restrict them to one thread.
I think the best way of making a safe space is to have the forum equivalent of South Park series where even the most socially inept aspie wouldn't need to care what they say. In my opinion having to many rules to stick by makes an environment feel artificial and constrained. If people are easily offended I don't think the solution is more rules, it just adds justification to offences where none should be taken if it happens to break a rule along the way.
So long as it doesn't get personal there is nothing wrong with calling someone a dumb**s and them mutually retorting back the same.
So long as it doesn't get personal there is nothing wrong with calling someone a dumb**s and them mutually retorting back the same.
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It feels like on here if you're right wing, you can say pretty much what you like so for eg you can call it the 'Chinese virus' but if you're left wing you have to be careful in case of personal attacks. So I would have to say 'that is a racist description' rather than 'if you say that, you're racist'... Even then I'm not sure I could get away with it?
Us on the left are autistic too. We're also prone to blunt speech. I hate this double standard, it seems to seep over from NT society where 'tell it like it is' is code for 'right wing knee jerk speech' and 'political correct' is code for 'left wing speech made in order to avoid offence'.
I thought there was a sticky thread for low functioning autistic people? Either found within the haven or within our private area? Maybe it belongs in this autism forum instead? (the main forum) But maybe it was put in the private area so people didn't have to worry about being googled?
There doesn't seem to be a place for us who are in the middle. Adult forum (not the NSFW one) specifies things like 'living away from home' and 'working'.
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There's a lot that can go on with a person off the forum , that can change the picture as to their functioning . Some can have less than average verbal skills but more than adequate practical skills . Others can have very superior verbal skills but less than adequate practical skills . I'm in the latter category. I'm far more high functioning when participating on a forum than I am when it comes to tasks of daily living .
Us on the left are autistic too. We're also prone to blunt speech. I hate this double standard, it seems to seep over from NT society where 'tell it like it is' is code for 'right wing knee jerk speech' and 'political correct' is code for 'left wing speech made in order to avoid offence'.
I thought there was a sticky thread for low functioning autistic people? Either found within the haven or within our private area? Maybe it belongs in this autism forum instead? (the main forum) But maybe it was put in the private area so people didn't have to worry about being googled?
There doesn't seem to be a place for us who are in the middle. Adult forum (not the NSFW one) specifies things like 'living away from home' and 'working'.
1. While I definitely recommend using "this is <something bad>" instead of "you're <something bad> for saying it", if someone sporadically breaches it, I don't intend to put them in any more trouble than some post editing and/or a gentle reminder - unless in The Haven. The Haven has special protection rules.
2. If you see others violating the rules, report. Moderators really don't read the whole forum all the time.
3. Those who are not "mild" by any means - a sticky in Members Only.
4. I'm sorry you feel alone "in the middle"

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So long as it doesn't get personal there is nothing wrong with calling someone a dumb**s and them mutually retorting back the same.
Lol I will give it a try and see where it leads

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