Most people on this forum don't have Asperger's Syndrome

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03 Feb 2008, 2:23 pm

At 46, and having known so many professionals of the psyche and what they're worth, I trust my self-diagnosis more than a hundred "specialists".


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03 Feb 2008, 3:45 pm

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Oh yeah, the diagnosis snobs rise again. "You can't be a real aspie because. . ."

. . .you saw the doc too long ago and the dx has changed


Oooh, actually, I am going off to see another psychotherapist because I think I have improved and will now only be a 'residual' Aspie, which means....

umm, what does that mean exactly anyway? I will still have tons of AS traits even then.

Bah. :D



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03 Feb 2008, 4:06 pm

Depending on where you are in the world, a formal diagnosis may cost you thousands of dollars you don't HAVE to spend. In the US, Asperger's is almost NEVER covered under medical plans. They will only pay for doctor's visits and medications to treat the co-morbid disorders. If you live where you have access to universal health care, fine, go see the specialist. If you live here, good luck, you're gonna need it. My wife and I got in "on the cheap plan", the doc's did their voodoo on us as part of evaluating the boys, and I think it was proper for them to do so. It helps them understand how to treat the kids if they understand the family dynamic. Mental health coverage is rare on employer provided insurance plans here in the US. It's "available" through some community service agencies that are horribly underfunded and far over burdened. Once Upon A Time we had a system of public mental hospitals in every state, Reagan chopped their federal subsidies and now there are virtually no facilities available.

"Self" diagnosis can be very valid. It depends on the qualifications of the person, after all. Laymen, particularly ASPIE laymen :P can be VERY expert in a field that fascinates them. Are there people in the world proclaiming themselves to have Asperger's who don't? Sure. That's true for ANY condition in the human world. I don't think there are very many of them. Most of the people I know on the spectrum, whether "self" or professionally diagnosed keep it QUIET. They don't want people to find out. Other than people in places like this. Anything that tends to exclude them, is not in the best interests of a forum with the stated intent THIS forum has. To be a support.


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03 Feb 2008, 4:13 pm

AspieDave wrote:
"Self" diagnosis can be very valid. It depends on the qualifications of the person, after all. Laymen, particularly ASPIE laymen :P can be VERY expert in a field that fascinates them.


Very true, an Aspie I know told me he knew I was the same.



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03 Feb 2008, 5:24 pm

As this is a site for those with Asperger's,
logic tells me that most people who become
members would have it.I'm only self-diagnosed myself,but that was a conclusion I came to after a lengthy and detailed study into AS and various possible alternatives. When I first stumbled upon AS I felt I instinctively recognised the list of symptoms and I've no reason to doubt that most other members will have had the same feeling of revelation.
In some circumstances the person themself may be in just as good a position to judge
whether they have certain conditions.I
have Synesthesia as well and in fact that's
something which is impossible for anyone
but myself to diagnose !


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03 Feb 2008, 6:27 pm

pluto wrote:
As this is a site for those with Asperger's,
logic tells me that most people who become
members would have it.I'm only self-diagnosed myself,but that was a conclusion I came to after a lengthy and detailed study into AS and various possible alternatives. When I first stumbled upon AS I felt I instinctively recognised the list of symptoms and I've no reason to doubt that most other members will have had the same feeling of revelation.
In some circumstances the person themself may be in just as good a position to judge
whether they have certain conditions.I
have Synesthesia as well and in fact that's
something which is impossible for anyone
but myself to diagnose !

it's not just for people with aspergers-the homepage of WP explains it better than the graphic at the top,there's a lot of parents of aspie and autie children,as well as autie teens/adults,adhd teens/adults,pddnos teens/adults,mix of everything...people from lf to hf,NTs who know people on the spectrum-so the title and original post here is definitely right in that not everyone on this forum has AS.



Mw99,
am just wondering why are so quick to rubbish users here who are self diagnosed,when have been trying to convince WP for a long time that are also a self diagnosed aspie? what makes one experience of being self diagnosed more official and important than another?
Self diagnosed is not a bad word,it's a starting point to stay as it is,or possible assessment,but there isn't a law on whether it has to be done or not.
For many people it isn't even worth it.
Perhaps if are very bothered about this,pay for all the self diagnosed aspies to get assessment?


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03 Feb 2008, 6:32 pm

I went and got diagnosed, now once a month I go to see a person about learning skills and learning how to cope with the stress that comes with being exposed to other people (I can walk into my family's living room with the whole four members of my family there and my stress levels will rise for no apparent reason). It's getting to the stage where I'm melting down at work and we're actually looking for a change in careers for me to get me out of the warehouse I work in. I'm thinking something along the lines of a mechanic or something like that, because my family knows that limiting my social interaction is unfortunately going to help my general health and wellbeing.

I think I'm an aspie. I have three main interests-WWE, Football and Writing. That's all I do. Go to Brisbane Lions matches, watch wrestling, and write stories. And play with my boyfriend (who I guess is almost an aspie who's learned to cope very well).


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03 Feb 2008, 6:46 pm

Mw99 wrote:
It is true that Asperger's Syndrome causes social awkwardness, but to assume that a socially awkward person has a high likelihood of having Asperger' Syndrome --just because he or she is socially awkward-- is ridiculous. It might sound hard to believe, but the first thought that comes into a lot of people's minds when they hear the words "socially awkward" is "Asperger's Syndrome."

Here's a brief list of conditions that also cause social awkwardness:

Low intelligence.
High intelligence.
Immaturity.
Attitude.
Schizophrenia.
Personality Disorders.
ADD/ADHD.

Of course, almost noone wants to attribute their social problems to a psychiatric disorder, low intelligence or a flaw of character; so it's not suprising that when an Oprah/Dr.Phil-educated armchair psychologist labels them Aspergeans, and reassures them that their problem is not a problem, but just a variation in the way they interpret the world, they feel ennobled and redeemed; the blame for their faults swiftly shifts from their own selves towards an abstraction.

The truth is that Asperger's Syndrome is just another fad, like depression and ADD/ADHD. In fact, most people who think they have Asperger's Syndrome probably don't have it, because self-awareness is pretty much inconsistent with the nature of Asperger's Syndrome. Do you feel empathy towards other "aspies" on this forum? Most likely, that means you don't have Asperger's Syndrome. Aspergeans are known for lacking empathy, and saying that an Aspergean feels empathy is almost as ludicrous as saying that a narcissist has low self-esteem; that's just not the way these labels were defined.

For those reasons, I think most people on this forum don't have Asperger's Syndrome.


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16 Feb 2008, 8:30 pm

Mw99 wrote:
It is true that Asperger's Syndrome causes social awkwardness, but to assume that a socially awkward person has a high likelihood of having Asperger' Syndrome --just because he or she is socially awkward-- is ridiculous. It might sound hard to believe, but the first thought that comes into a lot of people's minds when they hear the words "socially awkward" is "Asperger's Syndrome."

Here's a brief list of conditions that also cause social awkwardness:

Low intelligence.
High intelligence.
Immaturity.
Attitude.
Schizophrenia.
Personality Disorders.
ADD/ADHD.
.......
In fact, most people who think they have Asperger's Syndrome probably don't have it, because self-awareness is pretty much inconsistent with the nature of Asperger's Syndrome.
......
Aspergeans are known for lacking empathy, and saying that an Aspergean feels empathy is almost as ludicrous as saying that a narcissist has low self-esteem; that's just not the way these labels were defined.

For those reasons, I think most people on this forum don't have Asperger's Syndrome.


Let me offer this take on it. If you had a broken leg would you put your arm in a sling? M99 has a point if you are trying to "fix a problem" with either a cure or a work-around. So having an accurate diagnosis either professionally or self generated is of value so that you are working on the right problem. However what diagnosis you get is often dependent on the bias or experience of the doctor, just take the any set of symptoms to a variety of doctors and you will see what I mean. So a "professional diagnosis" may not be remotely worth the vast sum you spend to get it.

As for M99s statement that "Aspergeans are known for lacking empathy". If there is any characteristic that defines AS that can be used as a "litmus test" please document this for the rest of us. And when you do so be sure that you cite a source that is fully informed and very accurate. For instance is it that Aspies have no empathy or is it that they appear to have no empathy when viewed by NT's That is do they have it but are not effective at showing it? Someone with autism may appear verbally impaired when in fact their verbal capacity is large but they just can't express words orally yet they can write eloquently.


Hey, here is a fix, lets all just call ourselves "Wrong Planetarians"


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16 Feb 2008, 8:39 pm

Mw99 You say people with Aspergers lack empathy. Where does it say that? I can only find the opposite. For example this link:

http://www.scn.org/autistics/empathy.html

It's apparent you are demonstrating a lack empathy in this discussion.



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16 Feb 2008, 8:42 pm

I have AS, and some empathy.



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16 Feb 2008, 8:57 pm

The Dx topic

I remember reading in Holocaust history that certain nazis felt they had the right to decide who was or who was not Jewish, notwithstanding the hated Nuremberg Laws.

I fear Mr. Mw99 has become of a certain political persuasion. :evil:


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16 Feb 2008, 10:23 pm

I don't have a problem with NT's XP's, or even Vistas coming in here. The more, the merrier. Maybe they'll be a little more sympathetic or understanding. Who knows? who does it hurt?

As for empathy, the missus says I don't have any whatsoever, but she has enough for both of us. Considering she's had some training on social work (but not a degree), she's convinced I am. And as every husband knows, the missus is never wrong...;)



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17 Feb 2008, 1:53 pm

I am one of those who was diagnosed with "Autism/Childhood Schizophrenia" back in the early 60s as a very small child by my parent's pediatrician. This was long before Dr. Phil was even a psychologist

Asperger's Syndrome was not officially put in the diagnostic manual until the early 1990s. If I was that same small child now, I would have been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome.

Aspies can indeed have "empathy" but they may not know how to correctly display it via proper social interaction.

Self-awareness being inconsistent with Asperger's Syndrome? Not from my experience. I was certainly very aware that my social interactions did not fit the norm compared to my peers who were NT.


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17 Feb 2008, 3:57 pm

Silver_Meteor wrote:
Self-awareness being inconsistent with Asperger's Syndrome? Not from my experience. I was certainly very aware that my social interactions did not fit the norm compared to my peers who were NT.


I read a book on misdiagnoses and it said that some of the red flags diagnosticians should look for when diagnosing for Asperger's are self-awareness and empathy. It said that if a person presents either trait, it's unlikely the person has Asperger's.



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17 Feb 2008, 4:15 pm

I think that can be true when we are young, but with time and feedback from people around us and getting into trouble for doing or saying things that others dislike or say are inappropriate, then we do eventually start to gain an awareness even if we don't understand exactly what it was we did wrong, we do see that some actions get adverse reactions. We piece things together intellectually rather than have a natural understanding.