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30 Aug 2008, 2:52 pm

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Your thanksgiving ( of which most americans don't even remember wher it comes from) was to thank the Indians after they prenvent the colonists from starving.

Hardly. If you were American, you would know that the story of the first Thanksgiving is drilled into our heads every year in school, although some researchers think it is apocryphal. This story is about as ubiquitous in American culture as our worship of Christopher Columbus.

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30 Aug 2008, 3:22 pm

Eh, I probably voting McCain. There is something about Obama that doesn't quite strike me right, and I can't put my finger on it.

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30 Aug 2008, 3:45 pm

LostInSpace wrote:

Loborojo wrote:

Your thanksgiving ( of which most americans don't even remember wher it comes from) was to thank the Indians after they prenvent the colonists from starving.

Yeah. The whole idea was supposed to be to GIVE THANKS to God for the harvest. They WERE pilgrims, afterall.

Besides, the pilgrims WERE on ships and probably knew how to fish, had weapons, and seed. At the time, America had a LOT of good food.

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30 Aug 2008, 3:49 pm

LostInSpace wrote:

Loborojo wrote:

Your thanksgiving ( of which most americans don't even remember wher it comes from) was to thank the Indians after they prenvent the colonists from starving.

Thanksgiving has become disputable, at least on the internet.

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30 Aug 2008, 4:08 pm

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Hardly. If you were American, you would know that the story of the first Thanksgiving is drilled into our heads every year in school, although some researchers think it is apocryphal. This story is about as ubiquitous in American culture as our worship of Christopher Columbus.

Well yes it is, the natives didn't just say 'HI' there were some conflicts first before Squanto offered them help...in hindsight they should've killed/enslaved them because of what the Europeans did to the natives.

Also yeah it's kind've bad that few people ACTUALLY fight the official story of Columbus Day given what a dickhead he was (enslaving, killing native americans; f**ked-up torture, religious BS, etc.) Howard Zinn talks about it in the first chapter of A People's History of the United States in

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/zinnape ... story.html

and

http://books.google.com/books?id=P8V7J5 ... &ct=result

which version you like to look at

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30 Aug 2008, 5:24 pm

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LostInSpace wrote:

Well yes it is, the natives didn't just say 'HI' there were some conflicts first before Squanto offered them help...in hindsight they should've killed/enslaved them because of what the Europeans did to the natives.

Also yeah it's kind've bad that few people ACTUALLY fight the official story of Columbus Day given what a dickhead he was (enslaving, killing native americans; f****-up torture, religious BS, etc.) Howard Zinn talks about it in the first chapter of A People's History of the United States in

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/zinnape ... story.html

and

http://books.google.com/books?id=P8V7J5 ... &ct=result

which version you like to look at

Frankly, I have heard SO much garbage about the American indians, that I won't accept the news I hear later because it means one of TWO things:

1. It is new/revisionist, and therefore only gives DOUBT!
2. It is simply garbage that is WRONG!

In any event, there have obviously been hostilities on BOTH sides. Some American Indians have been known to raise kids as their own. Apparently, people have used smallpox against indians, they have been uprooted, etc... And I know the reservations set aside, self government, various subsidies, etc... don't bring parity. We will never know what the indians would have been like now if they weren't hurt earlier.

I CAN agree that columbus wasn't that good. HECK, he thought he was in INDIA!! !! ! And though the continent is named after an earlier discoverer, many think columbus discovered america.

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30 Aug 2008, 5:36 pm

Maybe books like Bury my 'Heart at Wounded knee' should be part of the American curriculum instead of the Columbus shite

check this AIM militant out:

http://zapora.wordpress.com/2007/12/20/ ... day-rally/

and http://www.blinkx.com/video/russell-mea ... pJfrhLWCNg

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30 Aug 2008, 6:13 pm

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Even the "native americans" were apparently not here originally. And you could say the same about YOUR area! BTW NOBODY cares about where you "THINK" you are.

That's always been the good excuse of your colonialism to grab the land. I am not Peruvian so I don't account for the atrocities The Spaniards did.

As to that the Indians were only a few tribes is offensive and an insult to those people. Would it have matrered whether it was only 1 million or 6 million of Jews exerminated or 1000 slaves from Africa or 60 millions' Of course it would.

As far as oppression and abuse goes, and that genocide continues to be the case in your God-blessed-America or God's own country, check out how many Navahos had to work in Uranium mines and made houses of scraps of radioactive material, got cancer and gor unwittingly sterilized in hospitals.

Remember Colonel Chington who said: Nits grow into lice?

check this one out of what is happening in 21rst century South Dakota-

In Guns You Trust...that defines your country more thean anything else!! !

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/russe ... s/41458456

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30 Aug 2008, 6:29 pm

I'd vote for Obama, except I've decided not to register to vote...

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30 Aug 2008, 6:53 pm

2nkenkerl the Republicans are taking trillions of your tax dollars and giving it to Dick Cheney's company Halliburton. Halliburton is the main subcontractor in Iraqs Halliburton made millions in the 80's raiding the pensions of smaller companies and leaving the employees who worked they're whole life with nothing to live on when they retire. Now they are moving their headquarters to Dubai so they don't have to pay any US taxes.

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30 Aug 2008, 9:52 pm

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I guess you don't know how much a trillion dollars is. A trillion is 1000Billion, or about 20 times BGs supposed net worth. I say SUPPOSED, because that is MORE than his REAL net worth in that it is far from liquid. The TOTAL US debt is supposed to be like 8trillion.

And WHO created these stupid rules that the winner pays? I mean the US attacks japan to put an end to WWII and pays to rebuild, and now we owe THEM!?!?!? THEY should have paid for the bombs! Did they even pay for the forest fires they started in the US!?!?!? And what of Clinton's "library"? His OFFICE? Campaign? Pension?

I'm the FIRST to admit there has not, in recent memory at least, EVER been a president that wasn't out for himself. At least I am willing to admit it.

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30 Aug 2008, 10:03 pm

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I'd vote for Obama, except I've decided not to register to vote...

not voting isnt a bad choice, considering the election is rigged, and they are all puppets anyways..

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30 Aug 2008, 10:05 pm

Oh the infamous democratic convention, Obama pretended to ask for more understanding, but the democrats themselves were being intolerant towards people that don't run windows and MS products in the sense you were banned from watching it, well done Bama!

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30 Aug 2008, 10:06 pm

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And WHO created these stupid rules that the winner pays?

That would have been the United States, with a little thing called the Marshall Plan, after observing that the punitive reparations charged against the German government in the wake of the First World War was what destroyed the German economy to the point that they were willing to elect Hitler Chancellor.

In fact, in the case of Japan, we not only helped rebuild their nation (thus avoiding another nationalist like Adolph from rising there), we gave them a whole new Constitution and form of government (keeping the Emperor, due to his importance to the Japanese people, but reducing his role to that of figurehead, for instance). They couldn't have paid for war costs if we'd wanted them to - in the wake of the war, their economy had been all but obliterated.

One of the primary lessons of the Second World War, and one often ignored for two decades after that, was the simple fact that after the work of Robert Goddard, oceans were no longer an impediment to warfare, so we'd better help look after the rest of the world for our own safety...

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30 Aug 2008, 10:43 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:

And WHO created these stupid rules that the winner pays? I mean the US attacks japan to put an end to WWII and pays to rebuild, and now we owe THEM!?!?!?

Yeah, how about that! We kill hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians, injure many more through radiation, and destroy huge amounts of infrastructure in two large cities. They should totally pay us the cost for the bombs. We have no obligation to help them rebuild whatsoever. :roll:

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30 Aug 2008, 10:43 pm

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BelindatheNobody wrote:

I'd vote for Obama, except I've decided not to register to vote...

not voting isnt a bad choice, considering the election is rigged,

That actually wasn't one of my reasons, but, yeah, there's that too.

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and they are all puppets anyways..

I admit to having no clue what you are talking about, there.

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