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30 Nov 2008, 4:26 pm

LabPet wrote:

No, I didn't not say that nor imply such - you're inferring and wrongly so. Yes, there are certainly good and caring professionals, as I've stated. And, no, in no way did I ever quantify such 'imaginery' stats as you invented above.

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But most 'professionals' are NEVER held accountable..."

That makes me want to ask where is the proof of it? Or are you just guessing and exacerbating your statements to make a point?

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30 Nov 2008, 4:35 pm

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LabPet wrote:

I'm not infering- merely trying to understand.
And I never invented anything. Simply posting a query into whether your statements are meant to relate your experiences or cast a shadow of fear over healthcare.

I'm really not 'drawing conclusions' but just being cognizant that Autists are quite vulnerable to professional 'mistakes.' I don't mean to 'cast a shadow of fear' over healthcare. I've acknowledged there are some great professionals who do their job and make a difference! I don't mean any offense, NocturalQuilter (really) and I'm not intending to be accusatory. I actually don't understand.....there are problems that exist and this is multi-faceted, as I've stated.

I guess I sometimes read on Wrong Planet, far too many times, parents who are frantic since they've told their Autistic child is doomed....that's unfortunate.

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30 Nov 2008, 4:44 pm

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I guess I sometimes read on Wrong Planet, far too many times, parents who are frantic since they've told their Autistic child is doomed....that's unfortunate.

I agree.
But the very best healthcare advocate is ones' self.
I think everyone should be able to trust their healthcare provide (whatever area they are in).

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30 Nov 2008, 6:41 pm

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LabPet wrote:

I guess I sometimes read on Wrong Planet, far too many times, parents who are frantic since they've told their Autistic child is doomed....that's unfortunate.

I agree.
But the very best healthcare advocate is ones' self.
I think everyone should be able to trust their healthcare provide (whatever area they are in).

Should...

Nice idea, and I agree. But many cant.

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30 Nov 2008, 9:56 pm

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Macbeth wrote:

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Callista wrote:

I've had a few good experiences with the mental health profession; but so far, it's been about 75/25 in favor of either a negative or useless experience.

And all I'm saying is that yours and everyone elses' post on this thread is the exception, not the rule.

How can you be sure of that?

After having worked in the Human Resources department of Kern County's largest hospital.
Of course there were complaints of doctor/nurse, healthcare practitioner misconduct submitted to us by patients. I investigated a number of them.
NONE turned out valid.
That is not to say it doesn't happen- just that what is represented on this thread is a grossly infated misrepresentation.

Aside from that, how can you be sure it isn't the exception?

I happened to live in kern county for a while, in the 60s and 70s. I think it is actually one of the nicer parts of california. I'm not sure how big everything is, but I DO remember that I would say:

I live in Bodfish

*****WHERE*****

Near lake isabella

*****WHERE*****

In Kern County

*****WHERE*****

Near Bakersfield..

OOOOOOOHHHHHHH

As to the quality of their care, I was mostly dealing with people in LA and Indiana. Most ARE quacks.

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30 Nov 2008, 10:06 pm

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Should...
Nice idea, and I agree. But many cant.

But not having any (or enough) trust in a healthcare professional shouldn't be the problem of the healthcare professional.

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30 Nov 2008, 11:21 pm

ncturnal quilter

if you are paid to prepare taxes for someone then it is actually against laws and professional ethicsto go around showing people tax returns that do not belong to you

the only financial documents that are public domain are those of publicly traded companies and those covered by the freedom of information act and a individual persons tax return is notpublic domain for anyone to view outside of the client or person preparing or the irs person processing when submitted

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30 Nov 2008, 11:28 pm

jamieg wrote:

NocturnalQuilter,
If you are paid to prepare taxes for someone then it is actually against laws and professional ethics to go around showing people tax returns that do not belong to you.
The only financial documents that are public domain are those of publicly traded companies and those covered by the freedom of information act and a individual persons tax return is not public domain for anyone to view outside of the client or person preparing or the irs person processing when submitted.

That isn't entirely true. But I'm way past debating this with people who don't know any better.

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30 Nov 2008, 11:33 pm

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jamieg wrote:

That isn't entirely true. But I'm way past debating this with people who don't know any better.

Well, then we know who NOT to go to for such things.

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30 Nov 2008, 11:39 pm

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if a individual person tax return is public domain and you are actually in the united states then i ask you to go into many places that prepare taxes for people and tell them that you want to see the files of all their clients and then see for yourself what these places tell you

i know for a fact that you can not just go around showing the public the tax returns of individuals that are not specifically covered by the freedom of information act

if you post saying that you were able to look at the tax returns of all the clients then i know it is a lie because you should try actually reading the laws from the law library and not on gossip sites on the internet

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30 Nov 2008, 11:58 pm

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nocturnalquilter

if a individual person tax return is public domain and you are actually in the united states then i ask you to go into many places that prepare taxes for people and tell them that you want to see the files of all their clients and then see for yourself what these places tell you

i know for a fact that you can not just go around showing the public the tax returns of individuals that are not specifically covered by the freedom of information act

if you post saying that you were able to look at the tax returns of all the clients then i know it is a lie because you should try actually reading the laws from the law library and not on gossip sites on the internet

Well, then we have nothing more to post on this subject, do we?
And where was your law degree from...?

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30 Nov 2008, 11:59 pm

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2ukenkerl wrote:

What country are you from? I THOUGHT it was the US, as we have a city called bakersfield, but in the US it is AGAINST THE LAW to release a tax return, credit reports, and police reports. It IS a breach of MANY laws to release them. What was jamieg avoiding? How about a SCANDEL, LAWSUITS, and public disgrace that would SHUT DOWN any such business. And if you believe it is SO harmless, why don't you publicly post your full name, birth date, tax ID, and a few credit cards. HECK, post your whole credit report, tax returns, and last physicals results!

HELL, I don't even want to be too open with my birthdate.

BTW I currently have access to LOTS of medical data on hundreds of thousands of patients. How do you think people would treat ME if I released it? A couple years ago, and had even WORSE info(like if they had AIDS!) on MILLIONS of patients, who knows, MAYBE even YOU! I guess everyone can be happy I am not so careless with such things.

It is not against any law to release public information. Sorry, but you're 100% wrong.
And since I have nothing at all to hide:

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I do not have a Tax ID as I don't own any business
I do not have any credit cards, nor bank accounts
I'm still searching for my last tax statement- I'll post it soon as I'm able to.

When I do, you will notice that I worked in a hospital... in Human Resources. Divulging private medical records is a no-no. But they are not public information as tax information or credit information is.

It's not illegal, but it is STUPID. I personally know people(my brother) that have done identity theft with just the info you provided.

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01 Dec 2008, 12:02 am

FrogGirl wrote:

It's not illegal, but it is STUPID. I personally know people(my brother) that have done identity theft with just the info you provided.

Go for it.
There is nothing that can be done with my name, ss# or birth date that I, personally, haven't already done ad nauseum.

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01 Dec 2008, 12:05 am

i had to take law courses in college as part of a business degree and when starting the business i consulted a lawyer

i think that you are trying to argue points to make people beleive that you know more about the law than the person that is responsible for following them by actually being in a business that is regulated by them

and i ask you where your law degree is when you are trying to make people beleive that it is ok to go around showing the general public the tax returns of the average person

i think that you need to admit that people in a business regulated by a set of laws would kmow more about them than a person that is not in a regulated business

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01 Dec 2008, 12:10 am

NocturnalQuilter wrote:

FrogGirl wrote:

It's not illegal, but it is STUPID. I personally know people(my brother) that have done identity theft with just the info you provided.

Go for it.
There is nothing that can be done with my name, ss# or birth date that I, personally, haven't already done ad nauseum.

I don't do this kind of thing, but I still think it is really dumb to post it just anywhere.

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01 Dec 2008, 12:15 am

NocturnalQuilter wrote:

FrogGirl wrote:

It's not illegal, but it is STUPID. I personally know people(my brother) that have done identity theft with just the info you provided.

Go for it.
There is nothing that can be done with my name, ss# or birth date that I, personally, haven't already done ad nauseum.

Have you tried to open up a bank account with your info, execute a 419 scam, a p2s scam, and a check kiting scam, and then just lay back and watch while the police arrest someone else(namely YOU)?

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