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21 Jan 2009, 4:41 pm

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It's back to how many exceptions does it take before the rule becomes worthless? In thermodynamics it would be 1. In psychology...well, it all seems to be pseudoscience anyway.

Good question, strictly speaking a single time when a rule is seen to be broken will make it invalid, but sometimes a single isolated observation can be wrong due to experimental error.

If however a large number of observations are made by different observers which go against the rule then it is very likely that the rule is invalid. I am not anti-psychology, I am just pro hard facts.

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Diagnosed under the DSM5 rules with autism spectrum disorder, under DSM4 psychologist said would have been AS (299.80) but I suspect that I am somewhere between 299.80 and 299.00 (Autism) under DSM4.

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21 Jan 2009, 6:17 pm

Check out Minds and Hearts website, where you can arrange to see Prof Tony Attwood and/or his colleagues...........bearing in mind all of these are qualified Clinical Psychologists with ASC diagnostic expertise. $200 Australian dollars/ £97 sterling (today's exchange rate) 2hr appt which includes a fully backed up assseement I rest my case :wink:

As opposed to £295 for a 3hr assessement with extra charges on top from someone who apparently is not qualified How does that work?

Check it out for yourselves!! Know where I would rather spend my money though! :wink:

http://www.mindsandhearts.net/docs/FEE% ... 202008.pdf

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22 Jan 2009, 5:20 am

jelibean wrote:

I rest my case :wink:

As opposed to £295 for a 3hr assessement with extra charges on top from someone who apparently is not qualified

How does that work?

Check it out for yourselves!! Know where I would rather spend my money though! :wink:

http://www.mindsandhearts.net/docs/FEE% ... 202008.pdf

Tony Attwood is a Cassandra devotee. Just so you know :evil:

And he encourages NT wives to join FAAS as a really good idea.

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22 Jan 2009, 6:11 am

Opal, I think you will find your opinion is outdated :roll: :roll:

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22 Jan 2009, 6:15 am

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Opal, I think you will find your opinion is outdated :roll:

It's not my opinion, it's his. It was current as of this time last year. :roll:

Pardon me if I don't want to part with my money to hear it again.

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22 Jan 2009, 6:28 am

Current is in my book UP TO DATE? Not LAST year! Information changes as do opinions. Sometimes actions speak louder than words? Have you checked the word 'Phenomenon'? You may find some subtle but very relevant differences.

I urge you please to check your facts and other threads on this forum where you may find the up to date information on this subject. :roll:

No one is asking YOU to part with any money are they? :oops: Sorry if you thought I was.

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22 Jan 2009, 8:39 pm

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There's an Asperger's society in Ireland that had a webpage about Asperger's and marriage, which was quite offensive - it was written for NT wives, as if AS men could not read, and at the end of the article it recommended divorce. It was written by Maxine Aston (possibly infringing copyright). .

No, it was written, ad hoc, by their own staff along similar lines. Loosely based on material from Faaas.

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The webpage caused allot of offense to AS adults, especially given that the society purported to help people with Asperger's, instead that page clearly undermined equality and understanding of AS adults. After talking to society on the phone, I'm told they to removed the page later the same day.

Not quite! :roll:

They removed the page (which had been there for years) on foot of an, ongoing, investigation by the equality tribunal into these, and related, matters. Round about the time you spoke at one of their conferences I think (Despite being asked not to)?

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28 Jan 2009, 3:34 am

http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/articles/ ... ons11.html
http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/links.html

Up to date links.

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01 Feb 2009, 5:39 pm

opal wrote:

http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/articles/booksrelations11.html
http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/links.html

Up to date links.

From the first link: This collection of essays and poems was compiled to provide validation to the experiences of the partner or parent of a person with Asperger’s Syndrome.

Could anyone point me to a collection of essays and poems compiled to provide validation to the experiences of the AS partner of a person who is NT?

Who's feelings are not being considered 'valid' here and in the world in general?

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01 Feb 2009, 11:01 pm

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Diamonddavej wrote:

No, it was written, ad hoc, by their own staff along similar lines. Loosely based on material from Faaas.

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Not quite! :roll:

Well that's plagiarism then, it was so similar I honestly thought they copied it verbatim from Maxine. And it sure shows how Maxine's ideas are interpreted by others and how they spread across the net.

As for what resolved them to remove the page, it could be a combination of both. Indeed they may have perceived (correctly) that the situation was escalating, that opposition to them included me for the first time. In any case, I can't ask them if I really played a role and wouldn't, I haven't had any contact with them at all since that phone call. I seem to have been shunned.

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02 Feb 2009, 12:09 am

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Overall I found her to be rather condescending and at times insulting. She had a weird sickly-sweet attitude that just didn't sit well with me. A lot of the things I thought were important she barely listened to, and a lot of the things she focused on were seemingly trivial and/or false stereotypes. There were many things that weren't even touched on simply because she didn't ask appropriate questions. She was so vague I spent most of the appointment trying to get her to clarify what she was asking. You think someone who does so much with ASDs would have some semblance of their need for direct communication.

Her office was full of copies of her own books with price tags on them.
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This stinks of a strong "parent ego state". In other words, she sees her perspective of reality (complete with beliefs and unconscious filters) as reality itself. She's already made up her mind about Autism and her patients the moment they walk in the door, and fits everything else around that.

people with strong parent ego states make terrible scientists.

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03 Feb 2009, 6:13 am

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As for what resolved them to remove the page, it could be a combination of both. Indeed they may have perceived (correctly) that the situation was escalating, that opposition to them included me for the first time. In any case, I can't ask them if I really played a role and wouldn't, I haven't had any contact with them at all since that phone call. I seem to have been shunned.

Dave,

Stand down the egomania (we are trying to lose that image, remember? BECAUSE IT IS BAD FOR US)...apart from the investigation by the equality tribunal having massively more weight than a phone call from you, the page was removed well BEFORE you chose to speak at one of their conferences...

:lol:

You do not seriously want to force me to post the REST of the story do you? I suspect that your part in this is one of those things that me dear old Dad would relegate to:
"The less said about that the better"

Don't you?

M :roll:

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03 Feb 2009, 7:32 am

Incidentally, in case you are wondering why I am so reluctant to get into a full on scrap with DD here, that is because, if I did, it is EXACTLY the kind of thing bottom feeders like Maxine Aston use to reinforce their case along with their sense of warm fuzziness about themselves.

Regardless...Aspies do behave badly...and we do it for similar reasons to the NT, and no more, or less, often than the NT...largely because we are human beings too.

People like Maxine Aston make their money out of telling gullable people what they want to hear, that it wasn't their fault, and that it *will* be ok next time, provided they *load the dice* by avoiding people with AS/BPD/Religious Convictions/A different ethnic background/other (depending on which, particular, wannabe guru you paid your money to...you can gather enough evidence of "bad behaviour" from literally ANY group of people to make a case.).

People don't want the truth, they can't handle the truth, that what makes relationships hurt is human nature...and your relationship hurts or works based on how your individual human natures combine with your environment, at the point of contact and go on combining thereinafter...there is no formula to follow, and no way to load the dice...

It's a crapshoot where, if the dice say so, you will get a partner who can, and will, work with you to make it happen...

If not, then not...

Unfortunately, the people who exploit this, like Maxine Aston, couldn't care less how much harm they do to whichever group they chose to designate as "fall guy"...

M

PS. I will definately NEVER roll those dice again...

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03 Feb 2009, 4:43 pm

I completely understand mechanima why you don't want to waste your energy scrapping with DD. They love it!! But hey, I think the board is getting a pretty good idea about 'who' Maxine Aston is now and WHAT she is up to! I don't like it at all, actually I HATE IT. I will be higher qualified than her in a few months and when I am I WOULD NEVER PRESUME TO DIAGNOSE! That is NOT my remit.............my advice (purely personal opinion) is that she packs it in now and gets on with RELATE counselling which is what SHE IS QUALIFIED TO DO! But hey that is just me seething.

So I am not into getting into a scrap either, not when I know that my nose is smelling something fishy.

Would I go to MA OR SEND anyone to see her? Ummm for £300 a session 'apparently' UNQUALIFIED?? Not when I can see Prof Attwood for half the price! No contest!

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04 Feb 2009, 5:29 am

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for £300 a session 'apparently'

*falling to knees, rending garments, and beating breast*

WHY, OH WHY did I have to be the sucker who was born with ethics?

I could SO use that money...heck, I could SO use HALF that money...

Meanwhile, my DENTIST gives saner, more ethical, relationship counselling, cheaper than that...with some dental work thrown in too...

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04 Feb 2009, 9:33 am

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jelibean wrote:

for £300 a session 'apparently'

Don't panic when they chucked rations of ethics out, I got my fair share too! :lol:

But I would rather be poor with honour than rich and dishonest! Respect M.

£300 IS JUST BASIC, if you want a report it is another £95 and then you have to pay for every telephone call TOO!! ! AAAAAAAAaaaaghhhhhhhhh! :twisted:

But thankfully being able to discuss it on boards such as this will hopefully alert everyone ....................we need to know WHO we are throwing our hard earned money to!

You know you are right, my dentist is a great listener too! So is the hairdresser, only costs £15 and I get a hair cut with it!! :lol:

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