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14 Mar 2009, 9:53 am

One of the issues may be that so many aspoes have never actually met let alone interacted with another Aspie or another autistic in their entire lives so they have nothing to compare their own condition against. Some of us have had such opportunities to interact with a variety of people on the spectrum in many different situations. Maybe this creates a different perspective. I can't say for sure.
Anyway all I'm trying to say is some of us are not quite as sharp as a some people who post here and we do need a small amount of special accomdation with things like recordings, vids, complicated instructions and the complex logic or complex social interplay of some threads.


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14 Mar 2009, 9:57 am

Aspies have a tendency to be a bit... well smug, but not in a bad way. Does this make any sense? Hope I haven't offended anyone.

I know I can be a bit smug sometimes... but not looking down on the less fortunate or lower functioning autistics, but it's probably a sort of defence mechanism from feeling attacked.

Can anyone relate?


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14 Mar 2009, 10:11 am

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Sometimes it appears as if a few posters exhibit what could best be described as a form of ‘Aspie Elitism’ in that they assume that having Asperger’s Syndrome makes them better or superior to people who are just plain Autistic, even more superior than those fortunate enough to be high functioning Autistics. Quite often those of us who are below this level in performance and social and communication skills are very rudely ignored and called ret*d or moronic which is technically and legally correct due to our IQ test scores. It may be true that some of us have lower than typical IQ’s, some of us have speech problems, or hearing problems, or coordination problems, or vision problems but we aren’t stupid or dumb or ignorant and we can discern when we are being humored, placated, tolerated and/or relegated to the background. This type of Aspergian elitism and discrimination against regular Autistic’s is subtle and almost invisible most of the time. Even this site exhibits a small bit of discrimination in that there is no registration option for ‘Autistic’, only a classification for ‘Aspergers’ as if that condition is more important to the site administrators than the various degrees of Kanners Autism. It is a small thing for sure but it stands out like a big pink elephant to those of us who don’t quite meet the mark of being so intelligent and beautiful and socially outgoing as the founder of the site and many of his followers. I am sure that this was not an intentional omission but it does point out that elitism exists even here and it seems to be getting more prevalent.
I am trying not to sound like I am complaining but sometimes it just gets to me when somebody posts about how horrible their life is because they don’t get ‘dates’ when they obviously don’t realize that many of us have been subjected to horrible mental and physical treatments back in the old days when autism wasn’t to well understood and getting a date wasn’t very high up on our list of daily wishes.


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14 Mar 2009, 10:14 am

OMG, I hope you're kidding.


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14 Mar 2009, 10:17 am

Quoting Ephemerella:

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Talking up your enjoyment of your AS traits can really get you persecuted on this site by those who insist on a negative view of AS and who like to bash High IQ/high functioning AS.


Where is that happening? I haven't seen any persecution or bashing of high IQ or HFA on this thread. I've seen some difference of opinion and variance of perception and personal experience, but no bashing or persecution. Nor have I seen anyone here who insists on a negative view of AS. I've seen a few admitting that life is not a bed of roses for all people all of the time.



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14 Mar 2009, 10:19 am

I like that description but it is true for many who see Asperger's as being 'trendy' right now.


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14 Mar 2009, 10:24 am

samtoo wrote:
Aspies have a tendency to be a bit... well smug, but not in a bad way. Does this make any sense? Hope I haven't offended anyone.

I know I can be a bit smug sometimes... but not looking down on the less fortunate or lower functioning autistics, but it's probably a sort of defence mechanism from feeling attacked.

Can anyone relate?


I will agree that there does seem to be a considerable amount of smugness here...whether exclusively aspies, I don't know. But I know I happen to be an aspie and have difficulties in understanding some of the sophisticated posts here on WP as well as having a "high gift" in anything.

I think I made a thread a while back on not relating to many aspies here because of most of the eloquential posts I had trouble in understanding as well has the hight IQ crap. This doesn't mean I don't appreciate people in the above average level of "intellegence" but I have had experiences with the smugness and the "Are you really that stupid...?" kind of attitude. I would think anyone here who is that smart would also be willing to share instead of badgering around some of us who have a hard time in abstract thoughts. But I have also found a few aspies/auties I can relate to as well as get along with who do try and articulate what they're saying. So I'm not sure if this is just an aspie thing or a human thing. It's not that different from my real life however. Most people here don't even understand the complexities of aspergers or autism.

If I come off smug, I apologize. I'm probably not aware of when I do it until someone points it out. I do know that I tend to have a bad sense of humor at the most inappropriate times and get defensive when I feel offended in some way.


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14 Mar 2009, 11:09 am

ephemerella wrote:
Talking up your enjoyment of your AS traits can really get you persecuted on this site by those who insist on a negative view of AS and who like to bash High IQ/high functioning AS.


I often find this confusing because I'm never sure what people mean by "AS traits". Often the things people assign to AS that they like about themselves are fairly common in people without AS, or at least are not unique to AS, and so I don't see them as specifically AS. That can cause conflict in threads if others also disagree on what an "AS trait" is and if the trait is not mentioned specifically.



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14 Mar 2009, 1:12 pm

I like your words b9.



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14 Mar 2009, 1:39 pm

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You have such funny emotes. :lol:



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14 Mar 2009, 4:15 pm

LOL, thanks.

One of my few obsessions..... :oops:


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14 Mar 2009, 4:22 pm

Isn't this all a bit passive aggressive? It's like Gary really wants to attack some other poster here but doesn't have the guts, so he attacks thru playing the victim. ugh.



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14 Mar 2009, 5:09 pm

well I have read quite a bit of this thread and haven't kept up with gary's threads on this forum.

anyway i read somewhere pdd-nos are the majority of people on the spectrum but again it seems to be mostly as'ers posting.


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14 Mar 2009, 7:21 pm

ephemerella: Just to clarify, I'm not talking up AS traits. Intelligence isn't an AS trait. I'm not even saying I enjoy whatever "traits". Like nearly anyone, on the spectrum or not, there are things that I like about myself, things that are useful characteristics to have, and things that aren't, that I dislike.

Even if one is to view Autism-AS as something negative, in general, I don't think that it would mean that Nothing, at all, ever, could be positive about such a condition or way of being. Not to mention, most things are positive, negative, or both in highly contextual and individual circumstances. One person's intense interest is another's debilitating obsession. Another's preference to be alone is utter despair to someone else. Who is to judge?

Also, as far as, eloquent posts or smart sounding things to say, we all have our gifts and deficits. I don't think that I am the most eloquent person on the planet by far. By the same token, I can't change how I think and speak, and I'm not ashamed, either, to have certain preferences for phrasing, or grammar, etc. I do, however, try to be mindful that I am not talking/ writing to myself, and that there are many ways of perceiving information, equally valid, and that I don't have the benefit of being in person. I have no problem trying to share, because badgering isn't useful.

Also, maybe, and I can't speak for anyone other than myself, those of us who have garnered more "coping" skills or maybe an ability to simulate NT language, for lack of a better term, only seem to have less deficits or an easier understanding of abstract thought. Although, just because a person can read between one set of lines, certainly doesn't mean they can read between all sets. I often feel like a decoder in most situations myself, I don't feel like I have an intuitive understanding of most situations, and that any purportedly strengths or abilities that I may have, have only come from intense observation of the world. And that at best, I have only an intellectual understanding of such things, if that, but no intuitive, social, or functional understanding, especially when trying to apply, said understanding.

I'm also aware that there may be some, who might not be able/ or be interested, for all I know, in analyzing situations in order to better understand them. For me, the need to observe and gauge things was key to my survival, growing up, and is a trait I have carried with me, since childhood. The only thing I try to insist on for myself is logic, in as much as, anyone can be truly logical. Either something works, has merit, or it doesn't.



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14 Mar 2009, 8:17 pm

I never attack any poster here who hasn't started something first or are newbie trolls trying to pretend to be on the spectrum.
editted to add: I am never afraid to use names in posts and say things as they are as subtlness is beyond my capabilities which is why many here think I am so abrasive.


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14 Mar 2009, 9:04 pm

Eloquence and equality, not elitism, topic

Some people on the Spectrum, many of whom are Asperger Autistics, go through a phase similar to African Americans who view their difference as "better" than whites. This is a reaction to being subjected to racial bigotry. While it is extreme it serves a purpose and may well be part of the healing process enabling an AA to understand and accept him/herself.

For those living with AS, they may for a time develop an intense dislike for NTs. It is hoped this is a temporary condition, and what can come out of the learning is that one is worthy and valued. This is self-acceptance and is a positive outcome as it means coming to terms with self and realistic expectations of others, whether NT or Autistic. :D


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