proud aspies really anger me

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lol, that's one of the reasons i'm not having children, toonaspie.

I'm ashamed of my condition personally. But you should go on a date with teelaclarke!

Halebopp, your condition is as valuable as diamonds. As valuable as platinum. Your condition makes the world progress. You need to reproduce. I volunteer myself as your partner in this venture. (Yeah i can see your reluctance in having kids given that men are men, and men are the only ones you can make children with).

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What do you mean?

toonaspie,
that is using the prejudiced NTs[note-not including innocent NTs here] imagined definition of 'normal',ASDers are a minority group-but,that doesn't mean we're the abnormal ones,there is no one 'normal' steriotype to compare us or non autistics to because everyone is different in their own way.

What exactly is normal? how does one define that term? People will ridicule what it is they don't understand and society on the whole doesn't have a great understanding on what it means to be autistic. I am proud of being me I wouldn't want to be anyone else and part of that basic make up is Aspergers. There are many things that I have been "blessed" with because of having Aspergers of course those "gifts" do come with a huge price but so be it. I am me an anomoly a quirk a square peg, the exception to the rule that is who I am. I am a high functioning autistic it is a part of my identity I have no reason to hide it.
That's my say
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I've never seen Temple Grandin, but every time I read something she's said or written, I'm struck by how normal she sounds. Intelligent, eloquent, and not very socially impaired -- for example, her comment in the interview linked to above that her interviewer looked very nice and she wanted to commend him on that.

I think many of us were much more flagrantly autistic as children, and to the degree we have had support in developing our social selves and learning to accomoodate our differences, we blossom into people who function well in society. Temple Grandin is a great example: she was very autistic as a child, but look at her now.

Unfortunately, not all AS / autistic children will get the support they need. Not all NT children get it either, which is why there are also some pretty messed up NTs out there. People who feel inferior or worthless, that they must change in order to be worthy. It certainly isn't limited to autistics.

Temple Grandin's life and the lives of many of us who are doing well as adults also carry a message of hope for younger aspies here who are feeling cruddy: as you get older, it does get easier. Like learning to walk and learning to bike and learning to read, moving in the world as an autistic gets easier -- IF you have the support.

I think working on making the world a place where people embrace diversity and nurture children would solve most every problem out there, NT or AS or anything else.

That is insufficient justification really. Hitler was a dickhead, thats who he was, should he have been proud? Bundy was a murderer, thats who he was, should he be proud? I'm an aspie. It doesn't mean I should be proud of myself.

Also, this is how I'd define normal...
Something that is expected due to it being common or the most common. Normal includes heterosexuality, being neurotypical, being male or female, etc. Of course, just because you don't fit in with 'normal' doesn't make you a bad person, but likewise it doesn't make you a good one either. You can probably tell I'm not a prideful person

I'm just saying what are you a proud aspie or depressive aspie? their is no in between because I'd say you lean toward the depressive aspie category. Or another question how do you feel about being an aspie? I'm just curious Suxed.
Because you seem to not explain fully of why you are an unprideful person/aspie?

you shouldn't regret it. there are some people here who are preoccupied, for one reason or another, to get a higher post count. i could not stand the idea of being an emu egg. some people just want to get to 1000, or whatever. i have no doubt that some of what drives that is peculiar to autism spectrum characteristics. however, the point actually is well taken that the way this site operates is not exactly the purpose for which forums were designed.
It was a good issue to discuss, though I think only indirectly related to the thread topic.
and as regards IRL - this is it for me. What other people call IRL I call hell.

I second that.

*raises an eyebrow* Sounds like someone has issues.

Why exactly are we not supposed to be proud to be ourselves? I know I have some Asperger's-related issues with people, but I also have plenty of Asperger's-related strengths that make me unique. Not always knowing how to deal with people and finding it exhausting is not something to be ashamed of, and I really am not fond of people who think that I should be ashamed of it.

I am not going to say that I am something inferior to a NT. If you are going to say that about yourself, bully for you. Don't pull me into it or insult me for having self-esteem.

I challenge the author to find neutral evidence to suggest that autism is what he/she says it is instead of using her own personal experiences.

This link (requires Realplayer) is an interview with her, audio:

http://www.abc.net.au/sydney/stories/m501095.ram

I can hear the autistic accent in her voice, but I don't know whether people not knowing to look for it would.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I really want to know what is so recessive about being autistic when the known impairments are based upon a series of assumptions. Why should that stop me from having rampant sex and then settle down with mah queen who will bore me four children?

"I hate myself because I'm autistic, then I want to rid myself of autism because it's stigmatising!"

...Is pretty much what this author is saying. :/

Aspie should always be real and "keep it real" as the saying goes...

We are by the way the most honest people in the world...