Neurotypicals are happier than people with AS

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05 Jan 2010, 10:54 am

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Say what you want.

NTs are sheople, they are robots, they are shallow, etc. But the bottom line is that they are happier than people with AS.

Is there anything is nothing more important than being happy?

All the NT bashing on this board doesn't really make a lot of sense.


They're not all happy, I've met and seen plenty of angry/upset/sad/depressed NTs. And I'm actually very happy!



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05 Jan 2010, 10:59 am

NTs aren't sheeple, they're people with feelings, like us.


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05 Jan 2010, 3:04 pm

I just don't get the Us vrs them Aspie NT thing. I don't personally know other Aspies. I'm surrounded by NTs if I hated them I'd be miserable.

My sister chose a profession that paid well. Economist. She worked in an office, could afford a nice house and cars, got lots of vacation. She took an early retirement and I was astonished to learn that she hated her job. I have been unable to find work that utilizes my skills. I've been stuck in retail. Yet I don't fined it unpleasant. My sister envied me! She said I'm not chained down to a desk. If I got paid more I might be content, though I'd like more regular hours and not work on holidays.

I worked at a newspaper as an intern and remember looking one day at the news editor. He had a good job, was married, had kids and was happy. But he seemed shallow to me. He was the son of the publisher, so though he had to go to school and get a degree, and work some jobs, he was virtually guaranteed a position as editor at his Father's paper. I didn't envy him. I'd rather earn my position and struggle to get it.

My neighbor, a doctor had a dark room. I wanted to use it. I went over and he showed it to me. He beamed as he bragged about all the fancy equipment he had. I never got to use the dark room. He was a terrible photographer and I'm a good one.

He got cancer and died, at his funeral some read read something he'd written some observations he'd made while fighting the cancer. I thought, "I thought of that already without getting cancer."

One of my Facebook friends is a girl I really barely knew in college, who always writes about her perfect family. One of her friends once wrote, "I wish I lived in Lisa Land, where everyone is beautiful, all the houses are big, and everyone is successful." She replied there is room for you.

I don't hate that girl and she certainly doesn't hate me. I'm happy that she's happy.

Which reminds me of a girl had a crush on in college. Ultimately she was too boringly normal for me and she liked someone else better than me.

I don't know if not liking boringly normal is a result of my being aspie or not.

Once, I was moody and depressed all the time. One day I got tired of it. It drains too much energy. I've developed a Buddhist mentality of accepting things.

One more thing to add to this long post. An art teacher I once had said that he knew a Muslim man who was perplexed by the American idea that you were always supposed to be happy.



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05 Jan 2010, 3:45 pm

I think it's the misplaced codependency and kneejerk defensivesness over NT's, 99.999999999999 % of whom give a rats arse about this board, that doesn't make any sense. Of course they are happier...bfd, I would be too. Hence, my presence here.



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05 Jan 2010, 3:52 pm

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How are they unhappier than aspies? I think they would be happier because they don't have any dramas with socialising and aren't stuck in the head all day.
They are always laughing about something while I'm there with my hand over my ears saying 'shut up shut up, why are you always so god damned happy'. I don't actually say that, just think it.


I know, right. Human interaction is fundamental to our well being, and key to succeeding in any profession. If you have to struggle with it, and always feel thwarted, you'll probably feel miserable and demoralized at some of the time.



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06 Jan 2010, 2:36 am

I don't remember writing that.
But yeah we're both human. It doesn't matter if you have AS or not but what you experience in life that makes you happy or miserable. And whoever said that it's a temporary mental state is right.
It's actually your choice to be happy or miserable. When you're down you can choose to make yourself happy or not.
I know this is an old thread but I wanted to update what I thought about all of this.


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06 Jan 2010, 2:49 am

Snazzlestick wrote:
BS.

I'm a miserable bastard :D


8O Baloney is the generally accepted term in these parts.



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06 Jan 2010, 5:26 am

While being happy and unhappy is a choice, it is one only to an extent. If you never interact with society, than YOU can choose to do what makes you happy. However if you continue to deal more and more with not being able to do things that make you happy because they're not earning you an income or for other reasons....than it's not so much of a choice. I can say that making 10 dollars an hour makes me happy but if everyone around me keeps saying making 20 dollars an hour is so great than sooner or later spending alot of time with them will make me upset NO MATTER WHAT i think about it....



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06 Jan 2010, 4:11 pm

I just don't see the link.

There are plenty of unhappy NTs out there. And I, for one, am a pretty happy Aspie. Now, I grant you that this evidence is anecdotal, but nonetheless, I don't think that there is a greater likelihood of happiness for an NT as compared with an Aspie.


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06 Jan 2010, 4:22 pm

I almost always live in the moment; therefore, while my happiness may be short-lived (to some degree) it is constantly re-created. Combine that with my can-do attitude and desire to enjoy life, it is likely that I am, in general, a happier person than most (Aspie, NT or whoever).



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06 Jan 2010, 5:13 pm

People are saying s**t like "But there are also depressed NT's!", but obviously the OP meant what he said in a general context. There's another thing people took outta context. He didn't call NT's sheeple, shallow, etc. He was saying you can hate em for those characteristics all you wanr, but you can't escape the fact that they're happier.

@ Janissy: Yes it's temporary, but he's talking about happiness as in, how frequently or long one experiences it. He's saying that NT's experience it more frequently and/or for a longer period of time. You didn't challenge an assumption, you took it outta context.



Anyways, NT's are generally happier since they are the majority and society is constructed to adapt to the needs of the majority. A social life is considered to be a MAJOR part of a person's life. Since that difference alone separates NT's and Aspies big time, the needs of both groups are entirely different.

@KazigluBey: Yeah, living in the moment is a happy way to live. I used to always be preoccupied with the past and future, but now I find that living for the here and now is much better. It's more rational too if one needs to justify it logically.



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07 Jan 2010, 3:51 am

AceOfSpades wrote:
Anyways, NT's are generally happier since they are the majority and society is constructed to adapt to the needs of the majority. A social life is considered to be a MAJOR part of a person's life. Since that difference alone separates NT's and Aspies big time, the needs of both groups are entirely different.


You're mistaken. Not all NTs are social people.


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07 Jan 2010, 8:15 am

Really super social people who like to chat all the time and pathologically can't stand to be alone, salesmen politicians and such, are not classified with a disorder, as far as I know, yet they have one.



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07 Jan 2010, 8:26 am

I think that it depends on the person's personatily, whether or not they have AS.


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07 Jan 2010, 10:09 am

Robert312 wrote:
Really super social people who like to chat all the time and pathologically can't stand to be alone, salesmen politicians and such, are not classified with a disorder, as far as I know, yet they have one.


There is a technical/medical name for it I think, but it's not really known as a disorder by many people at all because it's what's considered "normal".



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07 Jan 2010, 10:23 am

How happy you are depends on how you decide to play the cards you have in your hand. I've always known I'm a bit unusual, and I could choose to interpret "unusual" as an euphemism for "weirdo", or just be darned glad that I'm me.

I know that I myself am guilty of thinking rather enviously that "NT's have it all" when they know what to do or say in certain situations, and there are times when I get a bit cross when I can't do "banter". There are people out there, espeically boys (I'm not being sexist here as most of my friends are guys, girls tend not to like me...) who do this odd, odd neanderthall noise when they're doing their shoulder-thumping thing and engaging in meaningless conversation about football and "fit birds". And all they care about is getting drunk and pulling, even in their late twenties. That is shallow, granted.

But I am happy to report that the vast majority of people are not like that and there are some very sane people who by very reason of their sanity are deeply, deeply unhappy! The social awareness that neurotypical people have perhaps could meke them notice things that an Aspie might not, and such things will make them angry/morose etc. One of my friends is the most miserable sod I the world and he ties himself in knots with his grumbling, because he picks up on everybody's mannerisms and speech inflections and interprets them in the worst possible light!